Funny comparison of EV vs ICE. I don't disagree.
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I think at it's basis it's true of a lot of things, we keep using old technology because it's so established in our worlds.
For example, I doubt we'd use 60hz AC if the power grid was redesigned today.
For example, I doubt we'd use 60hz AC if the power grid was redesigned today.
And technologists vastly overestimate how excited and interested people are in adopting new technologies. Most people just want to go with what they know, and most of those people will be describing 20 years from now how they don't understand why it took so long for BEVs to catch on.
It takes time for all the pieces of supporting infrastructure to get in place, but the momentum is growing. Most new EVs now have the NACS charging port so there are lots of charging options. And range continues to improve. Just like the transition from horse and buggy to cars, once the roads were in, nobody wanted to use the horse again. Everyone was tired of the smell and cleaning up after them. (Said tongue in cheek, I love horses.. and our EV.)
Why electric vehicles are already much greener than combustion engine vehicles - International Council on Clean Transportation
Today’s battery electric vehicles are associated with far fewer greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) than internal combustion engine vehicles over their lifetimes.
theicct.org
It’s even funnier when you add the perspective that he’s jokingly describing essentially happened at the turn of the last century. EVs were around long before ICE cars; they lost last time because of energy storage… and over a hundred years later we still haven’t nailed it.
I’m generally a proponent of EVs where they make sense, but North America’s infrastructure can’t support 100% EV adoption, and IMO until we figure out fusion or re-embrace fission nuclear power plants it’s just not feasible. The second big issue is range / battery power density and related fast charging; those are being furiously worked by industry… but there are fundamental technology limits that will take time to overcome.
I’m generally a proponent of EVs where they make sense, but North America’s infrastructure can’t support 100% EV adoption, and IMO until we figure out fusion or re-embrace fission nuclear power plants it’s just not feasible. The second big issue is range / battery power density and related fast charging; those are being furiously worked by industry… but there are fundamental technology limits that will take time to overcome.
For my use case a hybrid is the logical next step. It's just that no one makes a hybrid pickup. It's cold enough here, -30c (-22f) this morning, that the waste heat from an ICE is advantageous for warming the passenger compartment, making a hybrid more attractive. A plug in hybrid would be great, could plug it in and run pure EV most of the summer, relying on solar for charging, and mostly the ICE for heat and tractive power in winter.
I agree, I need to tow a trailer several hundred miles every few weeks, but other than that I do less than 50 miles per day. A rugged and reliable plug in hybrid would be a real winner.
Why would you need tractive power more in winter?
Also, wouldn't a high torque electric motor have a higher tractive power?
(If a "hyper cold" battery can be produced...)
This talking point has been widely debunked. In terms of energy generation and distribution, most EV charging is done off peak. A full EV fleet would increase NA demand for electricity by ~30%, and the increase would be spread over the 20 years of adoption. With off peak charging and load shedding, little new capacity would need to be added, and current generation would become more profitable.
And ofc, the same tech (and spinoff battery tech) that enables current EVs enables grid storage of wind and solar.
It can be an issue from time to time. There weren’t long lines at gas stations that day.
Mass. family among Tesla owners who waited hours to charge car after total solar eclipse
The rush to get home from Vermont was made worse for electric vehicle owners who were searching for charging stations, only to find them with lines dozens of cars deep.
www.wcvb.com
Haha. I drove my PHEV (with a Jerry Can of gasoline in the back) to Northenmost VT to watch the eclipse. May 2024.It can be an issue from time to time. There weren’t long lines at gas stations that day.
Mass. family among Tesla owners who waited hours to charge car after total solar eclipse
The rush to get home from Vermont was made worse for electric vehicle owners who were searching for charging stations, only to find them with lines dozens of cars deep.
Took us 8 hours drive up there from Philly, 16 hours to get home with the traffic. We were able to buy gas on the way up, on the way home the gas stations had hours-long lines.
No one builds infrastructure for eclipses that happen every 50 years. Chasers are used to congestion.
In contrast, I drove my new EV to northern NH and back last summer, and had no wait at any fast charger I used.
Disclosure: I have a family member who works for CT/MA efforts at building out commercial L2 and DCFCs. They describe an absolutely ridiculous combo of regulatory burdens by policy makers and profiteering by business owners/developers. IOW, typical New England pattern hindering development.
hours long lines for gas stations?
I have really never heard of that other than in the oil crises of the 70s.
I was in TN (total eclipse) in 2017. Yeah, it was busy, but by no means more than 2 minutes waiting at a gas station.
I have really never heard of that other than in the oil crises of the 70s.
I was in TN (total eclipse) in 2017. Yeah, it was busy, but by no means more than 2 minutes waiting at a gas station.
It took us 8 hours to go the first 100 HW miles on return. The service areas were parking lots, the exits to the service areas were backed up a mile.
Typical eclipse outcome in my experience. People dribble in for 48 hours, and all leave at the exact same time. Gas was available on the way in. And probably fine a bit off the HW on the way out.
FTR, I have also seen 20 minute waits for gas stations on the Jersey turnpike during holiday traffic. In the 2000s.
Sure. I'm just saying... people drove their TESLA to rural northern New England during a total eclipse... with epic congestion expected.
And then there was a wait at DCFCs? And Channel 5 thought this idiocy was newsworthy? And 20 mos later someone thinks this is evidence for EVs not being suitable for NA? Hahaha.
If there were an eclipse tomorrow in that area, sure, I would rent a gas car and take that. Done. Otherwise, I'm all BEV all the time.
You're twisting words based on your preconceived bias (whether justified or not, it is a bias).
What was said is:
It can be an issue from time to time.
ANd that is totally justified, because a 20 minute wait for a gas station by. no means compares to an 8 hour wait for a charger. The former is annoying -but only if you don't have a passenger that needs to pee. The latter is actually forcing you to change your plans for a day (or two).
I think we agree that 8 hour waits at a charger are unacceptable. Unless they only happen during total eclipses of the sun.
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