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I sure wish that this was available when I installed my liner. I think that this would have been workable in my case when normal insulation wrap would have gotten hung up. Shoot me a p.m please with a quote for 25 feet of 6 inch, I may give this a try.
MagnaFlex- That looks really great. So great that I suggest you consider putting that product on the web site somewhere. You know, in case someone wants to buy some.
Just saying...
Just saying...
I am planning on installing my Jotul 450 next weekend if it comes in. Was suppossed to be in last friday. Where can i order this from. I think i need 25' of 6".
Thanks
Thanks
Thats a great idea. The alum outer should protect the insulation a lot better than the SS mesh.
I assume its tested to UL1777 and passes by itself for 0 - 0 clearance?
I assume its tested to UL1777 and passes by itself for 0 - 0 clearance?
Our liners are already tested to 0" clearance by warnock and 1" clearance by UL with the insulation you get 0" clearance. It's a great system that allows the installer to unroll and install no more applying insulation on the ground in front of the home. I have another product for corn stoves.. but it's hush hush right now.
jtp10181 said:
With the insulation the temps never get that hot. Your liner will never get that hot anyways unless you have a chimney fire. We ran this setup years ago with no problem, and we just reintroduced it because of all of the talk with inspectors and insulation.
Chimney liners are there to protect a chimney in case of a chimney fire. All liners are made to help contain a chimney fire which is why they are rated to 2100f. Technically if you have a chimney fire you should replace your liner. Pardon my french, but it's like a condom after used once it should be thrown away and relined again.
Jesus said:
Pook,
Why do you assume the aluminum would be compromised after a chimney fire? With a 1/2" of ceramic insulation around the SS liner, even if the internal SS liner reached 2100°, I would think the insulation would keep the aluminum from seeing 1400°. In fact I'd think it would see less than 1000°, unless the fire raged on for a very long time (which doesn't happen). Am I wrong?
Why do you assume the aluminum would be compromised after a chimney fire? With a 1/2" of ceramic insulation around the SS liner, even if the internal SS liner reached 2100°, I would think the insulation would keep the aluminum from seeing 1400°. In fact I'd think it would see less than 1000°, unless the fire raged on for a very long time (which doesn't happen). Am I wrong?
Inside liner is still constructed of 316ti and has passed all warnock hersey and UL requirements. No assumptions being made here.
Jesus said:
I don't see what the controversy is here. The insulation that olympic sent with my liner has an aluminum outer shell to protect it (and help contain the heat, I assume). The only difference between that and what MagnaFlex is offering is that you don't have to deal with the (pain in the rear) wrapping process, and it seems to me, the Magnaflex outer shell would have to be tougher than the one on the wrap. If the price is comparable, the Magnaflex product would seem to be the better deal.
With a 7.5" OD for the 6" liner, are you planning on offering this 6" liner as a 4x8 oval? In Central New York, our 8x12 clay tiles tend to run 6.5x10 for the inside dimensions. I'll also be sending you a PM about pricing
I don't quite understand your post... Their is just a lot of abbreviations. Everyone can have their own opinion, but after reading what you have said I don't quite understand what you are talking about. At one point you suggested that you could use Aluminum for a woodstove because you thought I didn't believe it would heat up past 600 degrees. It's like how does a posi track on a plymouth work... IT JUST DOES...
Jesus said:
Looks like a great idea - I too wish it had been available for my install.
When will the install instructions be available for review? I'd love to see them - might be just what is needed for the next install.
When will the install instructions be available for review? I'd love to see them - might be just what is needed for the next install.
Obsolescence
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Obsolescence is the state of being which occurs when a person, object, or service is no longer wanted even though it may still be in good working order. Obsolescence frequently occurs because a replacement has become available that is superior in one or more aspects.
Contents
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* 1 Types of obsolescence
o 1.1 Technical obsolescence
o 1.2 Functional obsolescence
o 1.3 Planned obsolescence
o 1.4 Style obsolescence
o 1.5 Postponement obsolescence
o 1.6 Obsolescence management
* 2 References
* 3 See also
[edit] Types of obsolescence
[edit] Technical obsolescence
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Technical obsolescence may occur when a new product or technology supersedes the old, and it becomes preferred to utilize the new technology in place of the old. Historical examples of superseding technologies causing obsolescence include CD-ROM over floppy disk which allowed for greater storage capacity and speed, DVD over VHS which allowed for greater quality and multimedia functions, or the telephone over the telegraph which allowed for audio transmission instead of coded electrical signals. On a smaller scale, particular products may become obsolete due to replacement by a newer version of the product. Many products in the computer industry become obsolete in this manner; for example, Central processing units frequently become obsolete in favor of newer, faster units.
Some products are rendered technologically obsolete due to changes in complimentary products which results in the function of the first product being made unnecessary. For example, buggy whips became obsolete when people started to travel in cars rather than in horse-drawn buggies.
[edit] Functional obsolescence
Particular items may become functionally obsolete when they do not function in the manner that they did when they were created. This may be due to natural wear, or due to some intervening act. For example, if a new mobile phone technology is adopted, and there is no longer a provider who provides service based on the old technology, any mobile phone using that technology would be rendered obsolete due to the inability to access service.
Products which naturally wear out or break down may become obsolete if replacement parts are no longer available, or when the cost of repairs or replacement parts is higher than the cost of a new item.
[edit] Planned obsolescence
Main article: Planned obsolescence
Sometimes marketers deliberately introduce obsolescence into their product strategy, with the objective of generating long-term sales volume by reducing the time between repeat purchases. One example might be producing an appliance which is deliberately designed to wear out within five years of its purchase, pushing consumers to replace it within five years.
[edit] Style obsolescence
When a product is no longer desirable because it has gone out of the popular fashion, its style is obsolete. One example is "acid-wash" jeans; although this article of clothing may still be perfectly functional, it is no longer desirable because style trends have moved away from the acid-wash look.
Because of the "fashion cycle", stylistically obsolete products may eventually regain popularity and cease to be obsolete. A current example is flared-leg jeans, which were popular in the 1970s, became stylistically obsolete in the 1980s and early 1990s, and returned to popularity in the early 21st century.
[edit] Postponement obsolescence
Postponement obsolescence refers to a situation where technological improvements are not introduced to a product, even though they could be. One possible example is when an auto manufacturer develops a new feature for its line of cars, but chooses not to implement that feature in the production of the least expensive car in its product line.
[edit] Obsolescence management
Obsolescence management refers to the activities that are undertaken to mitigate the effects of obsolescence. Activities can include last-time buys, life-time buys and obsolescence monitoring.
[edit] References
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[edit] See also
* Disruptive technology
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
"Obsolete" redirects here. For the album by Fear Factory, see Obsolete (album).
Search Wiktionary Look up obsolescence or obsolete in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Obsolescence is the state of being which occurs when a person, object, or service is no longer wanted even though it may still be in good working order. Obsolescence frequently occurs because a replacement has become available that is superior in one or more aspects.
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Types of obsolescence
o 1.1 Technical obsolescence
o 1.2 Functional obsolescence
o 1.3 Planned obsolescence
o 1.4 Style obsolescence
o 1.5 Postponement obsolescence
o 1.6 Obsolescence management
* 2 References
* 3 See also
[edit] Types of obsolescence
[edit] Technical obsolescence
Videotapes making way for DVDs
Technical obsolescence may occur when a new product or technology supersedes the old, and it becomes preferred to utilize the new technology in place of the old. Historical examples of superseding technologies causing obsolescence include CD-ROM over floppy disk which allowed for greater storage capacity and speed, DVD over VHS which allowed for greater quality and multimedia functions, or the telephone over the telegraph which allowed for audio transmission instead of coded electrical signals. On a smaller scale, particular products may become obsolete due to replacement by a newer version of the product. Many products in the computer industry become obsolete in this manner; for example, Central processing units frequently become obsolete in favor of newer, faster units.
Some products are rendered technologically obsolete due to changes in complimentary products which results in the function of the first product being made unnecessary. For example, buggy whips became obsolete when people started to travel in cars rather than in horse-drawn buggies.
[edit] Functional obsolescence
Particular items may become functionally obsolete when they do not function in the manner that they did when they were created. This may be due to natural wear, or due to some intervening act. For example, if a new mobile phone technology is adopted, and there is no longer a provider who provides service based on the old technology, any mobile phone using that technology would be rendered obsolete due to the inability to access service.
Products which naturally wear out or break down may become obsolete if replacement parts are no longer available, or when the cost of repairs or replacement parts is higher than the cost of a new item.
[edit] Planned obsolescence
Main article: Planned obsolescence
Sometimes marketers deliberately introduce obsolescence into their product strategy, with the objective of generating long-term sales volume by reducing the time between repeat purchases. One example might be producing an appliance which is deliberately designed to wear out within five years of its purchase, pushing consumers to replace it within five years.
[edit] Style obsolescence
When a product is no longer desirable because it has gone out of the popular fashion, its style is obsolete. One example is "acid-wash" jeans; although this article of clothing may still be perfectly functional, it is no longer desirable because style trends have moved away from the acid-wash look.
Because of the "fashion cycle", stylistically obsolete products may eventually regain popularity and cease to be obsolete. A current example is flared-leg jeans, which were popular in the 1970s, became stylistically obsolete in the 1980s and early 1990s, and returned to popularity in the early 21st century.
[edit] Postponement obsolescence
Postponement obsolescence refers to a situation where technological improvements are not introduced to a product, even though they could be. One possible example is when an auto manufacturer develops a new feature for its line of cars, but chooses not to implement that feature in the production of the least expensive car in its product line.
[edit] Obsolescence management
Obsolescence management refers to the activities that are undertaken to mitigate the effects of obsolescence. Activities can include last-time buys, life-time buys and obsolescence monitoring.
[edit] References
Question book-new.svg
This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2007)
[edit] See also
* Disruptive technology
Franks said:
Jesus said:
Why do you assume that the aluminum, which is insulated from the flue will ever get to 1500F, even with a chimney fire??
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