Hey Aussiewoodstoves

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Welcome.

Nice to see more of the folks building, designing etc.. the stoves posting here.

You'll get some good ideas on what people are looking for. Consider this place free market research.

 

[Richard]

Thanks Warren, I am learning fast!..........had lots of welcme notes and feeling quite at home. If you ever want an insight of waht happens down under in the hearth business, I am happy to help you out!

 

[elkimmeg]

Welcome to Hearth.com we do not here from too amny from down under fill us in on the familliar models you have compared to ours

 

[Richard]

Our industry over here is quite similar to yours, the obvious difference is that our winters are in reverse, as you sit freezing over there we are sweltering over here! Our winters are no where near as severe as yours either, however we still need heat!

We do have some of your appliances over, regency comes to mind as well as lopi, but mostly we make our own. Generally steel fireboxes with sheetmetal convection panels. Most aussies are obcessed with fans on heaters (blowers) so the majority of fires sold here have a fan fitted.

The estimate of sales in Australia is around 30,000 to 40,000 units per year. Thats just wood burning stoves and wood not include open fires etc. Like you we have an emission standard, but we measure our emissions in grams per kilogram, whereas yours is in grams per hour. The limit we have is 4 grams per kilogram on average over the high medium and low burn cycles. All heaters sold have to comply to this standrad unless they are a cook stove. We make a little cook stove called the Bakers Oven for example that is exempt. Vist our web site if you want to see our range www.nectre.com

Most wood stoves are sold through specialist stores that also sell BBQ's outdoor furniture etc, Just like you guys!!

I ahve been in the business for 25 years now and have seen the good old days when our market was in excess of 100,000 units a year!

Interested to hear from anyone in the USA, we have been trying to sell our bakers Oven there for while with some limited sucess!

 

[Robbie]

Welcome ! I really like that cook stove. Very nice.........looks like you would not have any problem selling that here in the U.S.A.

My Avalon is really pumping out some heat tonight, pretty cool here in Tenn. (29 degrees)..........you say it's hot there ?



Robbie

 

[Gooserider]

The estimate of sales in Australia is around 30,000 to 40,000 units per year. Thats just wood burning stoves and wood not include open fires etc. Like you we have an emission standard, but we measure our emissions in grams per kilogram, whereas yours is in grams per hour. The limit we have is 4 grams per kilogram on average over the high medium and low burn cycles. All heaters sold have to comply to this standrad unless they are a cook stove. We make a little cook stove called the Bakers Oven for example that is exempt. Vist our web site if you want to see our range www.nectre.com

Most wood stoves are sold through specialist stores that also sell BBQ's outdoor furniture etc, Just like you guys!!

Could you explain your emissions standard a bit more? "Grams per kilogram" to me is a bit confusuing as I thought there were always 1,000 grams to a Kilogram by definition! :-S Is it "grams of something per kilogram of something else"? I've heard that there is a difference in what other countries worry about in terms of the pollutants, and that just because a stove was clean by US standards didn't mean it was OK by other standards.

Gooserider

 

[elkimmeg]

If my history serves me there is a section in Aus called the sothern ALPS and I believe it gets quite cold there atleast cold enough to snow and ski

How plentifull is the wood supply and what trees burn the best Sorry for all the question but I want to learn more do you know if wood stoves are used in NZ

 

[Andre B.]

The estimate of sales in Australia is around 30,000 to 40,000 units per year. Thats just wood burning stoves and wood not include open fires etc. Like you we have an emission standard, but we measure our emissions in grams per kilogram, whereas yours is in grams per hour. The limit we have is 4 grams per kilogram on average over the high medium and low burn cycles. All heaters sold have to comply to this standrad unless they are a cook stove. We make a little cook stove called the Bakers Oven for example that is exempt. Vist our web site if you want to see our range www.nectre.com

Most wood stoves are sold through specialist stores that also sell BBQ's outdoor furniture etc, Just like you guys!!

Could you explain your emissions standard a bit more? "Grams per kilogram" to me is a bit confusuing as I thought there were always 1,000 grams to a Kilogram by definition! :-S Is it "grams of something per kilogram of something else"? I've heard that there is a difference in what other countries worry about in terms of the pollutants, and that just because a stove was clean by US standards didn't mean it was OK by other standards.

Gooserider

My guess would be grams of pollutants per kilogram of exhaust or kilogram of wood. So it is independent of how big the stove is which to me makes a lot more sense then how the US does it, but then that is nothing new. Much more of a real world test that way.
The US seems to think that all stoves should be optimized to burn the same size load of wood regardless of the size of the firebox.

 

[kevinmoelk]

Welcome aboard aussiewoodstoves. Nice looking stoves you have there, clean lines and simple.

-Kevin

 

[webbie]

Being somewhat of a pizza freak, if that baking oven can get way up there (like 900 degrees), then you might have something!

The secret to great pizza is really hot ovens....coal is used on some in order to get the temp up high.

I think that Bakers oven would have a certain specialty market - it would have done well back before Y2K. There is an outfit in Ohio called Lehmans which would be a really good lead to be an importer or national distributors. I can get you some contact info if you need it.

http://www.lehmans.com/

The other things is that shipping stoves can be expensive and who knows what the trade rate is? Maybe you can partner with a maker like Englanger (mike here on the forum) and they would make and/or distribute some of your designs (they can probably make them for less than you do!). They are in a lot of rural hardware supply houses.

Just for off-the-cuff, your stove might sell for as much as $1000-$1500 retail in the specialty end of the market (fireplace stores) or as little as about 700-800 in the hardware store/home center end of the business.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

hi aussie, welcome aboard! i looked at your units on the website , nice, would like to see the 500-800 a little better, might just be my screen but the other units seemed to be easier to see in detail. anyway, are those flush doors on the 500-800 series? it looks like they are built right into the front of the stove body, i really liked that look gave the stove very clean lines. bakers oven looks really sharp as well.