Pelpro Convection Blower starts very slow!! New Fasco equivilant from CSH wholesale blowers works gr

[Don2222]

Hello

I have a Pelpro 265 CFM convection Blower that starts very slow, sometimes it needs a push. I cleaned the blades and pot graphite on the shaft. The motor get warm when running too. I do not see any lubrication holes. Any suggestions?
Is there a 3rd party aftermarket one cheap?
Maybe this one? It is a split capacitor. (Not good for variable speed)
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-PSC-Blower-1TDR3?Pid=search for $98.80
Here is a shaded pole 265 CFM for $113.60 which is the right size
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Shaded-Pole-Blower-6FHX9?Pid=search

Instead of http://www.spaplaceinc.com/proddetail.php?prod=KS-5010-1050 for $199.00
5-1/2"w x 5"H mounting flange
5" wheel Diameter with 3" wide squirrel cage blades
approx Overall Height 9-7/8" by 7-3/4" wide

Made by A.O. Smith
Ser # 247061M MTR MOD JA2P276NS+
115v 50/60 HZ 1.9amps 1400/1630 RPM 1/25 HP
CLASS B INS CONT.A.O. <<-----Rotation------<<
Assembled in Mexico

See pics below. Click to enlarge

 

[jtakeman]

Careful the grainer motor is a Permanent Split Capacitor and don't like being variable controlled. You need a Shaded pole motor.

I can't read the label but thinking its a bushing motor not bearings. AO Smith motors you can change the bushings on. But if you take the motor apart like in this thread you might be able to get it going again!

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/81945/

 

[Don2222]

Careful the grainer motor is a Permanent Split Capacitor and don't like being variable controlled. You need a Shaded pole motor.

I can't read the label but thinking its a bushing motor not bearings. AO Smith motors you can change the bushings on. But if you take the motor apart like in this thread you might be able to get it going again!

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/81945/

Thanks for your valuable info Jay !!

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Sounds like a bearing replacement candidate.

I saw an add for a 265 CFM unit recently but can't remember where.

Is that a shaded pole motor if so I don't think you want to use that Dayton unit.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO

 

[Don2222]

Hello Jay

The motor runs fine no noise or squeak but plenty of resistance, sounds like the bushing is shot right?

Please tell me. Where can I get a bushing for that? thanks

Someone else said if I can get spray oil with a straw that has teflon in the oil it may work. Where can I get that oil?

Would this work?
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/dupont-teflon-chain-lube.htm

 

[Don2222]

How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO

Hi Smokey
That says it is a single speed so would that be a split capacitor?

How about this one?
Here is a shaded pole 265 CFM for $113.60 which is the right size
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Shaded-Pole-Blower-6FHX9?Pid=search

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO

Hi Smokey
That says it is a single speed so would that be a split capacitor?

How about this one?
Here is a shaded pole 265 CFM for $113.60 which is the right size
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Shaded-Pole-Blower-6FHX9?Pid=search

I believe that if you look at about a thousand shaded pole motors you'll discover that they are mostly marked single speed.

 

[Don2222]

How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO

Hi Smokey
That says it is a single speed so would that be a split capacitor?

How about this one?
Here is a shaded pole 265 CFM for $113.60 which is the right size
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Shaded-Pole-Blower-6FHX9?Pid=search

I believe that if you look at about a thousand shaded pole motors you'll discover that they are mostly marked single speed.

Hi Smokey
It does say Dayton 4C447 equivalent so it must be a shaded pole motor. It sure is confusing but you are quite correct

Centrifugal Blower 115 Volts Fasco # B45227
1650RPM Shaded Pole Blower; 1.86 amps @ 115 Volts 60hz.; Name Plate CFM 265; Dayton Equivalent = 4C447; 1 Year Manufacture Warranty; 7063-4824.

This one that you linked to has a nice dust screen to boot. A very nice feature!!
http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO[/quote]

Pic 2 specs - The not for speed controls in the specs must be wrong!

Here is a good place to purchase Fasco Stove blowers
http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/fasco/fasco_blower.htm

These blowers are common to many woodstoves and fireplace blower inserts
Be sure to scroll down the entire page
These Fasco Electric blowers / fans are sold as complete assemblies
We do not sell any parts for these units
Note: Blowers have wire leads, no power cords, plugs or switches

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Fasco-B45227-Volt-Centrifugal-Blower/dp/B000BULTKO

Hi Smokey
That says it is a single speed so would that be a split capacitor?

How about this one?
Here is a shaded pole 265 CFM for $113.60 which is the right size
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Shaded-Pole-Blower-6FHX9?Pid=search

I believe that if you look at about a thousand shaded pole motors you'll discover that they are mostly marked single speed.

Hi Smokey
It does say Dayton 4C447 equivalent so it must be a shaded pole motor. It sure is confusing but you are quite correct

I bought its cousin a 230 CFM through a surplus place paid $50.00 and did a mark, punch, and drill job to fit it to the snorkel in my stove.

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well this is probably the cheapest one on the net
(Funny they do have the A.O. Smith exact replacement but only in the 230v Model!)
But they do indeed say that the FASCO B45227 IS the Exact FASCO replacement for the A.O. Smith 115v 265 CFM blower)

B45227 Centrifugal Blower $92.23 -- case closed -- Thanks guys
http://www.cshincorporated.com/product_info.php/products_id/3555

B45227 Centrifugal Blower

115 Volts

1650 RPM

1.86 AMP

1 Speed

Discharge flange mounting holes: 4.88" x 4.37"
Cross References: Arrow Heating 7063-4794 Carolina Stove 7063-4824, Earth Stove 7073-0107, England Stove 7073-1499, Heat-N-Glo 7063-7942, National Steel 7063-4996, National Stoveworks 7063-4769, Nor-Aire Manufacturing 7063-6345, Orville Products 7063-6861, Peacock Stove 7063-4777, Russo Woodstove 7063-4755, Steelcrafters 7063-4996, Vestal Manufacturing 7063-7529, 4C447, 7063-4775, 70634775, 7073-1449 England stove, Nashua

 

[Don2222]

Hello Again

Good news, it seems that the sliding bushing was not turning well on the shaft of the original A.O. Smith convection blower in the stove because the shaft had oxidized when stored in the damp basement. I lubricated the shaft but it even got more resistive. Today when I tried the blower it worked fine!! The lube must have sunk in and freed the shaft!!

So today I picked up some Liguid wrench with Cerflon a special formula for this type of lubrication and sprayed the shaft again!!

Seee
http://www.amazon.com/L512-Liquid-Wrench-Lubricant-CERFLON/dp/B000CPJLE4

It works, I possible saved $100 for now anyways The motor and fan works good!!

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well now that I got the stove running for a while the Convection Blower decided to quit.

So I did go the route of the $92.50 Fasco Equivilant from CSH since the OEM Replacement for A.O. Smith Company Blower could only be purchased as an OEM part for $199.00 !!

So I got the blower from USPS at 6:45 PM tonight so it still made the 3 day priority mail date! I orderd it around noon time on the 19th!! Not bad.

Anyways, the difference being that the very short wires on the new FASCO blower were not long enough and did not have the quick disconnects on the ends.

Therefore I just cut the wires with the clips off the old blower and soldered and taped them on to the new one! Also had to install a 3/8" Romex connector into the knock out to make it right!

Then even though the mounting holes were very close, I had to ream them a tad to make all the holes fit over the threads coming out of the stove.

So it was well worth saving over $100 dollars and I trust FASCO they do have good blowers! Turned the stove on and the blower worked great. Nice and quiet but alot of air movement with the 265 CFM of course

See Pics below. Click to Enlarge.
P.S. I like the dust screen on the new FASCO on the left it is a nice touch!

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Glad you got your blower, would you please check the plate on it and let us know what the marked amperage is on the plate?

There are new requirements on items with motors and energy efficiency.

 

[Don2222]

Glad you got your blower, would you please check the plate on it and let us know what the marked amperage is on the plate?

There are new requirements on items with motors and energy efficiency.

Hello Smokey

The new blower is mounted in the stove and the tag is on the bottom.

So here is what I could see:
Fasco Assembled in Mexico
Class B
1/18 HP
1570 RPM
50/60 HZ
Type U63

 

[zrtmatos]

Hello Smokey

The new blower is mounted in the stove and the tag is on the bottom.

So here is what I could see:
Fasco Assembled in Mexico
Class B
1/18 HP
1570 RPM
50/60 HZ
Type U63

Good info for us all if we need a new blower. Thanks.

 

[midfielder]

Careful the grainer motor is a Permanent Split Capacitor and don't like being variable controlled. You need a Shaded pole motor.

I can't read the label but thinking its a bushing motor not bearings. AO Smith motors you can change the bushings on. But if you take the motor apart like in this thread you might be able to get it going again!

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/81945/

Interesting - what problems do PSC motors have with speed control?