CO Issues with Lopi Large Flush Insert

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freedompancakes

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Dec 19, 2023
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California
We've been in our home for two winters now, first with an old Buck 27000 and then a professionally installed Lopi Large Flush with no cat. Both of them were on the first floor of the house and ran their flue through a mason chimney. The Lopi installers actually added a couple more feet to the pipe so now it's sticking around 8 or so feet above the roof where it comes out and maybe 6 ft above the peak. Above part of the first floor where there is not the stove is a second story with an attic area. Think essentially two 800 sqft rooms side by side with one having another 600 sq ft stacked on top. Best I can tell the new install is double walled pipe, the previous was a terrifying homebuilt thing that we didn't know the extent of until the new one was installed.

Recently this winter (#3) we've had issues with our CO detectors going off in various places around our house in the twilight hours (4-6) after burning all night. We have an old 1930's home that has had many renovations through the years but is still a pretty poorly insulated thing with air leaks. Twice now we have had the upstairs area go off reading between 40-60 (annoyingly, the detectors take hours to alarm at these levels) and once at the detector right next to the stove (90 ppm). For the upstairs one to go off, air would have to flow from the stove and past two detectors.

They are going off sparingly enough, and spread around, that I am having trouble figuring out the issues here. From what I have read in other threads, it seems that maybe there is a inversion of the draft in the flue happening when the fire has really burned down. The woodstove is the only combustion heat source we have, we have two small wall heaters for a couple side rooms but they really can't manage the whole house. We don't have any automatic fans that come on. Our wood has been sitting covered for a year and a half now and measures around 10-12% on a fresh split with the grain and we have very little coals burried in the ashes in the morning. I try to run the stove pretty hot before bed and don't close down the air all the way so that it fully burns down.

Only changes I can think of in the house since last winter is a new roof over all of it and having the stove cleaned. He said it looked great and that we had pretty low creosote from the previous winter.

Any ideas for how to diagnose why we are suddenly having trouble with this would be great.
 
It sounds like the stove is in a one story addition to a two story house. Is that correct? This can be a problematic install, especially if the 2nd story is leaky. The upper story leaks essentially turns the house interior into a sort of chimney with the exhausting (leaking) air creating suction on the one story section, aka negative pressure. Additionally, prevailing winds can create a positive pressure zone over the chimney which can spoil draft. If the chimney is exterior and cold, then maintaining draft can be very challenging.

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The second story was actually the addition but I don't think that matters much for this. Is there a way to help remedy this or are we pretty much SOL? Last winter it was flawless which was odd.
 
Last winter it was flawless which was odd.
Success may be related to wind direction. If so, it could be timing. Sealing up windows and attic door leaks on the upper floor of the addition may help.
 
The second story was actually the addition but I don't think that matters much for this. Is there a way to help remedy this or are we pretty much SOL? Last winter it was flawless which was odd.
What are the outside temps when this is happening
 
What are the outside temps when this is happening
Each night it has been around 40-45 deg or so. It's coastal woods of Cali so cool, not cold, but consistent.

Success may be related to wind direction. If so, it could be timing. Sealing up windows and attic door leaks on the upper floor of the addition may help.
That makes sense, I'll give that a shot. This also could explain the times when the upstairs monitors went off but the ones near the stove were silent and not reading anything.
 
Maybe this might help...
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Maybe this might help...
This is the premier chimney cap for solving common, wind-related chimney draft problems. Wind-induced downdraft can cause smoke to enter the living space when: hills, mountains, tall trees, and/or tall buildings are in the vicinity. Vacu-Stack also functions as a conventional chimney cap by protecting the chimney from rain, snow, debris, and animals.
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I actually found in most cases those cause more trouble because they are very restrictive. But they are a good solution for some very specific circumstances
 
Hey yall!

I have a Lopi as well and I'm getting CO in my house as well, no smoke, draft is great, wood is really good too, dry and seasoned. I'm scratching my head to what it could be. Its always at the end of a burn when the coals still giving off some heat, but not a mature fire. I do not have gas heat or gas appliances. Had the fire department here 3-4 times to confirm the CO levels in the house while the alarms were going off. The alarms have gone off many more times than the fire department has been here. It's a real head scratcher. The shop that sold it to us has been out to see what could be done and they did some fine tuning but it still did it. The weird thing is the 1st year no problems at all the last year was a train wreck. Had it professionally installed.

My theory is around the bypass if you look deep into the stove you can see flames which is pretty normal, but after the fire reduces to coals, and the fan is still on, I'm wondering if the ports where the hot air is blown out of is sucking the CO out. The 2 spots flank the bypass rod and maybe, just maybe the chimney isn't hot enough to pull the CO up and out maybe the fans that are flanking the bypass rod are creating a "vortex" and pulling it in the house? I feel like I'm guessing now because I don't know what else to do

Thanks

Steve
 
This last winter was fairly warm. When the outside temperature isn’t cold enough, and the chimney on the shorter side, the draft can stall and not pull the combustion gasses out. This tends to happen when the fire is dying down and the flue is cooling off.

How tall is your chimney? Does it have an insulated liner?