England 25-EP Outside Air Kit

I'm in the process of installing an England 25-EP Pellet Insert in my home. I have already purchased the Chimney Liner Kit with insulation and all needed fittings. My question is, I'm in need of more than 6' of the thin flex pipe the stove manufacturer sent with the stove. Does anyone know where I can buy this stuff? It looks like dryer vent pipe to me, but I'm no stove designer, so I don't want to install something that may cause a problem sooner or later. The inside diameter is 2".

Also for some advice. Where I want to install this fresh air intake is where someone before me has cut into the chimney and installed an inspection clean-out with a removable cinder-block looking door. I want to make a new door made from steel plate and install the fresh air intake into this steel plate. Now, this is located outside of the house and inside of my garage. The garage is not heated and does get plenty of fresh air, the garage used to be a car-port on the side of the house which is a split foyer.

Does anyone see any problems doing it this way? If I can't do it like this I'll have to cut a hole into the chimney cap and run this fresh air intake all of the way up like the liner is now. I'm not a fan of having the fresh air intake so close to the chimney pipe. The install directions are a little fuzzy as my install goes, which I totally understand. One other thing was according to the directions it says to run this fresh air intake as close to the stove as possible. The big thing is I have a total masonry chimney and don't want to cut another hole into it is why I'm asking this question.

Any suggestions would be of great help.

Thanks.

Hi Stihl and Imacman. Thanks for the information.

My outside air vent outlet on back of the stove is only a 2" outlet. I did look up the 10' of 2" flex pipe from Mc Master Carr. Even though I'm not worried about fumes, the $67.00 price tag will be worth it just to get this thing finished the right way. I have dealt with Mc Master Carr many times before. Even though they aren't the cheapest, they have what you need, and you get it super fast. Thanks for reminding me about them!

Stihl. Last winter someone on this site told me about Rockford Chimney Supply on Ebay. I looked them up and found everything I needed to do my chimney liner, all the fittings, chimney cover and rain cap, plus insulation. I had looked at different locations for pricing and found Rockford to be the cheapest. I ordered my supplies from them and got it in two days. They do sell 3" flex and fittings. If they don't show what you think you need? Call them and ask them about what it is you need. The trouble for me is there is no 2" flex pipe from them. So I'm gonna go to Mc Master Carr.

I figured out another way of running the outside vent so I don't need anything longer than the 6' they sent. Had it been 5' 9" it wouldn't have worked. I just finished inspecting everything to make sure the chimney liner and the outside vent are hooked up after jockying the stove into place. I just finished doing the first start-up as per the instructions without the use of pellets as per the manufacturer.

About ready to fire this unit up for the first time using pellets. This is good because the high here tomorrow isn't supposed to reach freezing. This will give a good try out so I can see how it does in cold weather?

It's a brand new stove I got last year at the end of the winter season from Lowe's. The only reason I'm just now getting it going is I wanted to pay the stove off before I jumped into another $650.00 worth of chimney liner, insulation and fittings. I got it paid for in November but had to build up some funds for Christmas. I'm sure you know how that is.

I just now got it fired up, seems to be doing exactly what it's supposed to. Hopefully the stove will do good this winter? I've done everything as per the manufacturers instructions. Should be good to go?

By the way, thanks for asking those questions. I'd rather be safe than sorry. What you said makes sense to me.

Hopefully I got this right? If I did, here is a new photo of the new stove in working condition.

Thanks Smoke!

Starting to get warm in my computer room. I guess getting warm is the pay-off for bleeding like a stuck pig from installing the chimney liner. I was wearing gloves and a leather coat when working on getting this hooked up today. I started getting hot and took the leather coat off. Bad idea! The liner is so sharp when it just barely touched my arm and drew blood. I guess the Haunted Chimney wasn't happy about being used for the first time in 20 years since we've owned this house.

Dexter, I was wondering if those logs were just for something to look at? If they do nothing for the stove operation, I'm taking them out!

Thanks.

Everyone, thanks for the well wishes.

I do have a question about the amount of pellets the auger is supposed to drop at any one time? I have the stove set-up on 3 right now, but only see a small amount of pellets coming down the chute. I'm talking about maybe 4 or five pellets at a time? Is this normal? This may sound kind of dumb? I was under the impression the pellets coming down the chute should be like that of a fish food pellet vending machine when it's set on high?

When I started for the first time I dumped a whole bag into the hopper, but I'm thinking that may be too much at one time because I was having to spread the pellets around toward the rear of the hopper using my hand to get the whole bag in there. I didn't pack them down or anything, just wondering if there is a said amount that should go into the hopper at any given time? I tried the lowest setting earlier after the stove fired up for the first time, and it shut down with a fail to light error. Now I'm running the setting on 3 to get through this first bag just to break the stove and auger in.

I'm (as the little caption says, Fire Starter) as new to this kind of stove as a kid getting behind the wheel in Drivers Ed fir their first time. Not sure what to expect, and wondering if I am putting way too much thought into things right now? I'm a mechanic by trade, so I read everything I can, and try to learn why something does what it does so I can learn and diagnose a problem should a problem occur. I just can't help myself....... Ha ha ha!

I'm using Nation's Choice Premimum Wood Pellets, supposedly made from hard wood (if you've ever heard of these guys?). I figured I'd try a few bags of what Lowe's was selling when I purchased the stove from them. From what I've been reading some suggest trying several types of pellets so you can find the type that works the best for you. This is why I didn't buy a full skid of these pellets when I got them last year. When I brought the pellets home I brought them inside for storage. I didn't want to get the bags wet, or have vermin getting into them. I understand when they get wet, the pellets are no good after that?

Right now I wouldn't know good pellets from poor pellets, that is until I experience the burn and heat rate from different suppliers around my area. Add to this I've also been reading there may be a different supplier or type of pellets sold up North, and not sold here in the Mid Atlantic State Region. If someone from this area (MD, VA, PA) knows of good burning long lasting pellets available around here? I'm all ears (or in this case, eyes).

Thanks again for your help acman. It's much appreciated!

pauly2110 said:

how do you guys like the 25-ep so far? i got it last year and works pretty well for me thus far, how many days do you guys leave in between cleanings? i find i do every 3 days or so just because i dont want to cover my whole floor with ash the longer i wait lol

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Hi Pauly,
When you say you clean the stove every three days, how many bags of pellets do you go through each day? I'm trying to get a handle on cleaning this 25-EP so I can keep it burning at maximum efficiency. Right now it's looking like I'll use a bag a day (if that?) with the setting on 3. I watched the DVD that was sent with the stove, they say to clean the stove out everyday. Shutting the stove down and waiting for it to cool down so it can be cleaned everyday almost seems too much? But again, I know nothing about this stove yet. Only time and experience will dictate this. I need people with the knowledge and experience to tell me how often they clean their stoves. If it means I need to clean it once a day? So be it......

When cleaning your stove, have you cleaned the glass as well? I'm noticing a slight smoke film on the inside of the glass in the corners. If you do this, what kind of cleaner do you use? Or do you need to use cleaner? I'd like to have everything ready when I do shut the stove down for cleaning is why I ask.

Thanks!

Thanks Graham,

I can now say without a doubt the pellets from Lowe's aren't for me. Glad I only got a few bags of these! After less than 1 bag the Burn Pot got full of ash which caused the stove to shut down. After I let it cool down I cleaned the inside, and the glass I just had to use a brush to clean the black off of it. The fine powder like substance that was in the Burn Pot I believe was caused by the poor quality of the pellets. Way too much ash? Most likely this shut-down was a good thing for me. It gave me a chance to check everything out being this was the first bag of pellets that have gone through the stove.

As for the two retailers you spoke of. We have no Tractor Supply or Southern States near us. Go figure, we live in one of the Southern ends of the State and we don't have them? And this was a huge Farm Industrial area! I appreciate your letting me know of your experience with these pellets and trying to help me out. I do have some people my Mom knows who buy their pellets locally, they have always told her if I ever had any questions, to just ask them. They have gotten their pellets by the Ton for several years from the same place. I'll see how often they have to clean their stove out, plus ask how much heat they get from a bag. The people I'm speaking about only have a Heat Pump to heat their home during the winter months. On several occasions their bill was in the high end of $600.00 a month. Now from what I've been told, their bills are in the low $200.00 range. They only have the one stove, and it's on their main floor.

By the way, did you make the design inside of your glass? I've used my Plasma Cutter to cut some thin sheet steel before and wondered it this is what you did? What-ever you did, it does look really nice. Especially if it somehow attaches to the glass on your door so it's not a pain to deal with when cleaning. As the design goes, I'm glad my wife knows nothing about this site. If she did and saw your stove, she'd be on me like my underwear to put something like that in ours.

All and all I love this little stove! It started to heat enough of the basement after a few hours, then some of the heat actually rolled up into our foyer area toward the main floor of the house. When you walked into the front door, you'd immediately feel how much warmer it was than previous years of just using oil for heat.

Have a good one.