Anyone have any experience with stove ovens?

Brian T · Sep 3, 2014

I am looking at something like this one advertised on this site:

http://vermontwoodstove.com/vermont-bun-baker/

I am looking to replace a fireplace with something that will provide functional heat. The fireplace is positioned strange, it's kind of in the middle between a kitchen, dining area and small living room. It is hard to explain, it's sort of a mini great room. The fireplace itself is sort of like an insert with a frame built around it.

I am looking for something to act as a back-up heat source, without needing electricity. Since it is located right on the edge of the kitchen area I thought the oven would be a nice to have. I am not really sure what else I can put in the spot. A regular free standing wood stove would be kind of dangerous right in the middle.

Does anyone have any experience with models like this?

bholler · Sep 3, 2014

Well is your fireplace a zero clearance unit? And how would you be venting the stove? I have always liked those stoves but they will be no safer or more dangerous than any other wood stove sitting there

Grisu · Sep 3, 2014

Welcome to the forum!

Can you post pictures of your current setup? Are you strictly looking for supplemental/backup heat or would consider burning wood regularly? Not sure if that Bun Baker is not a bit expensive for the former.

Cynnergy · Sep 3, 2014

The bun baker stoves look really neat, although I'm not sure why you think it would be less dangerous than a free standing woodstove? I think the surface is likely to get just as hot as a regular stove. Maybe the soapstone models will moderate the heat a bit, but they'll still get hot.

Brian T · Sep 4, 2014

Thank you for the replies everyone.

Cynnergy said:
The bun baker stoves look really neat, although I'm not sure why you think it would be less dangerous than a free standing woodstove? I think the surface is likely to get just as hot as a regular stove. Maybe the soapstone models will moderate the heat a bit, but they'll still get hot.

The soap stone is part of it, but I am also looking at other models like those below (these only seem to be in Europe though). They all have a more vertical design and smaller foot print that the traditional wood stoves I have seen in showrooms. So safer in that they would me easier to maneuver around and would leave me room for some kind of railing around it to keep kids and pets away.

Grisu said:
Welcome to the forum!

Can you post pictures of your current setup? Are you strictly looking for supplemental/backup heat or would consider burning wood regularly? Not sure if that Bun Baker is not a bit expensive for the former.

I think I would be using it regularly in the winter.

I agree this model is expensive and I hope to find something cheaper. I'll try to post a picture later. Right now there is furniture pushed up against it as my wife is trying to decide where to re-re-rearrange things.

bholler said:
Well is your fireplace a zero clearance unit? And how would you be venting the stove? I have always liked those stoves but they will be no safer or more dangerous than any other wood stove sitting there

I'm not sure what zero clearance means, but there is a chimney that goes strait-up through the ceiling.

begreen · Sep 4, 2014

A zero-clearance fireplace is a pre-fab fireplace enclosed in a metal cabinet. It will have a metal chimney, no brick and mortar. Post a picture so we can see what you have.

The price has really gone up on the VT Bun. For that money I would be looking at the Esse Ironheart. For a lot less there is a small cooktop stove made by Napoleon, the 1150p or consider a PE Alderlea with its trivet top.
http://www.discountstoves.net/Ironheart-p/ironheart.htm

Owen1508 · Sep 4, 2014

This one is $1500.00

http://www.homedepot.com/p/HomComfo...src=17588969&gclid=CKmeqOTrx8ACFcZQ7AodUFQAWw

begreen · Sep 4, 2014

I could be wrong, but that unit looks like it would be a bucket of rust after one season outdoors. Heat really accelerates oxidation.

Also the Australian made Baker's oven
http://www.discountstoves.net/Baker-s-Oven-p/vtbb.htm

Owen1508 · Sep 4, 2014

begreen said:
I could be wrong, but that unit looks like it would be a bucket of rust after one season outdoors.

Yeah I would only try using it inside. It says it's plate steel so it would have to be protected from the rain for sure.

begreen · Sep 4, 2014

No go inside in WA state.

Owen1508 · Sep 4, 2014

You guys are too strict..... ;lol

No exemptions on cook stoves

Cynnergy · Sep 4, 2014

What about just a small free-stander? Jotul F100, F3, 602, or maybe one of the Morso's... You won't get as much burn-time as a larger stove, but there will still be plenty of heat for a few hours.

The 602 has a cooktop too.

begreen · Sep 4, 2014

I was thinking an Alderlea T4 for the same reason. But most any stove with direct heating of the stovetop will work. The TrueNorth TN19 is a good value.

Cynnergy · Sep 5, 2014

Oh and I wouldn't worry about pets around the woodstove - most are smart enough not to touch it. My cat wasn't thinking one night and walked straight from the windowsill onto the stove at full tilt. A mighty yowl and a few scratch marks on the top, but no permanent damage (to him - still a few scratch marks on the stove). Didn't even get blisters on his paws he was off so fast. He won't be doing that again!

There are several threads about kids and woodstoves with some agreeing that a fence is good, others that it's not necessary as the kids learn 'hot' pretty quickly too. Maybe a raised hearth would help?

ddahlgren · Sep 5, 2014

I just laugh when they show an installation that totally fails NFPA regs. The rear clearance very tight and the front a complete fail.

bholler · Sep 5, 2014

ddahlgren said:
I just laugh when they show an installation that totally fails NFPA regs. The rear clearance very tight and the front a complete fail.

Which one are you referring to?

ddahlgren · Sep 5, 2014

bholler said:
Which one are you referring to?

Didn't see any that had a front protection to the combustible floor and the rear very questionable as well.

Grisu · Sep 5, 2014

ddahlgren said:
Didn't see any that had a front protection to the combustible floor and the rear very questionable as well.

Since they only burn Photoshop-fires in them, I am not too concerned about safety. ;lol

bholler · Sep 6, 2014

i see a tile floor on one and a larger hearth pad on the other but yeah the rear clearance looks tight

ddahlgren · Sep 6, 2014

I missed the whole post on floor protection and mentally thought meets NFPA code in my head though never made it to the keyboard. It did not look 18 inches to me. As far as the tile floor goes if it tile over 1/4 to 1/2 cement board with plywood underneath the stove has to have a pretty low R requirement as you don't have much.

The back clearance a complete fail that is way too close for single wall pipe. Also on side to sheet rock another fail.

The side and diagonal clearance on the second one a fail. Floor clearance must be 0 as they have firewood piled under it and piling firewood against it not a very bright move. That looks like a wood floor and the pad too small for any stove I have seen. Pad clearance to the front is no way 18 inches either.

bholler · Sep 6, 2014

This whole discussion is silly because we dont know the required clearance for those stoves. We installed an esse cook stove that only needed 3/4" on sides and back and ember protection under and in front. Nfpa standard clearances only apply to non listed stoves If it is listed all of those clearances can change.

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