Harman P43

DiStUrBeD · Sep 5, 2015

Hello,

I been trolling this forum that last few weeks and finally choose to join. I have to say I am shocked at how much info is on here. With that being said. I have a little question.

Im looking into buying a Harman p43 from a local dealer. Now this may sound to good to be true deal here... They are asking $1987 for it with the chrome upgrades. They are moving to a larger building this winter and need to move inventory.

Questions being... I believe this is just a pellet stove and not a bio mass stove. Correct?
Will it effectively heat basement and main floor of house with it being placed in the basement?
(total area approx. 2400 sq ft)

Thanks in advance. More questions to come i promise.

Lake Girl · Sep 6, 2015

Disturbed, moved your thread to the pellet mill as you are asking about a pellet stove .... Welcome to the forum! The p43 is the baby of the Harman "p" family and is only rated up to max 2,400 sq. ft. depending on home efficiency and climate. Thinking you are definitely pushing the margins of this one with your location. What other "deals" has he got?

It is just a pellet stove ... http://www.harmanstoves.com/Products/P43-Pellet-Stove.aspx Owner's Resources section at bottom will get you to an owner's manual that can be downloaded.

Heating from the basement is always a tricky thing. Most are not very successful. The better house layout is a fairly open floor plan and central stair. Good insulation, windows, doors and weather stripping aids with that.

You'll be hearing from the Harman owners soon...

DAKSY · Sep 6, 2015

IIRC, The P43 CAN burn a mix of fuel (25%?), but it is primarily a wood pellet burner...
Your Michigan winters are AT LEAST as bad as those in NY & I don't believe you'll be
happy with the results of trying to heat that much space with a P43.
I tried to heat a 1450 sf home with a P43 in the basement & the basement was warm,
but getting that heat to the upstairs was problematic.
Like Lake Girl said, you'll be pushing the upper limits of the unit & it will never shut off.
If your dealer has a P61A available for a decent savings, I know that's the direction I'd take,
because I DID. I STILL have some issues getting the heat to move around the main floor,
but there's more heat from the P61A to work with.

Jason845845 · Sep 6, 2015

That's a great price. Is there any way you could put the stove on the main floor or wherever you spend the most time? Pellet stoves are space heaters and getting the heat to circulate around can be difficult.

MCPO · Sep 6, 2015

Last winter I have heated my 2400 sq ft with the P38 Harman (same size as P43) in the basement. I burned a bit more than 5 tons. I blow most of the heat directly from the stove up thru the floor vent via a round duct.
Running the stove set at #4 the finished basement stays around 70+- , the main floor around 68+- , and the 2nd fl bedrooms around 62+-.
It works OK for me but admittedly it`s not really ideal since the stove is a bit too small. I guess if it was set on #5 or turbo it would do it but I`m not comfortable with it running full tilt 24/7.
Bottom line is a basement setup is good if insulated but not ideal either. Getting enough heat up to where it`s needed most is the problem. This year it`s gonna be the pellet stove on low heating the basement mainly and just to supplement the oil furnace.

bogieb · Sep 6, 2015

That stove can burn 50/50 pellet/corn mixture. I would try my hardest to get that to the main floor. It all depends on how the currents go in your house, but you would really be pushing that thing. I couldn't get my basement dwelling P61a to keep my main floor warm (basement is 650 s/f and main is 950 s/f). Tried a whole bunch of stuff and still ended up putting a smaller stove on the main floor. If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't have gotten the P61a because it is way underutilized now - I would have gotten another baby Harman for the basement.

As for price, it sounds good to me. Last spring I got what I thought was a killer deal on a 2012 PP38++ (basically the P43) for $1,000. Only used for two winters. Under $2k for a new one is awesome. But, like someone else said, I personally would look for another deal for a bigger stove if you can't get it into your main floor.

bags · Sep 7, 2015

That is a SWEET price on a new P43. Sounds like they want to move them to new homes instead or rolling them to the new show room or shop. Moving sale price.

I agree with everyone above but every home varies. I easily did 2,350 SQ Ft on two levels with high ceilings and tons of glass with one P68 but that is another 25K BTU's. I'm not sure a P43 would have done it but then again the wife likes it 75-76* also. You may have a shot and might be worth the deal at hand. Worst case heat the main floor and living area and look for another deal for your lower level.

Better yet how many P43's do they have at that price? Two new for $4 grand is just as sweet if you can swing it. How about any reduced price P68's or 61's?

I wish I had been in on a deal like that last fall. You're saving $1,000 bucks from the get go.

Lake Girl · Sep 7, 2015

I'm thinking the P43 would be better off on the main floor too. Since basements generally have stable temps in the winter, would require less BTU than main floor. Electric heat may not be too expensive ...

DiStUrBeD · Sep 10, 2015

Lake Girl said:
Disturbed, moved your thread to the pellet mill as you are asking about a pellet stove .... Welcome to the forum! The p43 is the baby of the Harman "p" family and is only rated up to max 2,400 sq. ft. depending on home efficiency and climate. Thinking you are definitely pushing the margins of this one with your location. What other "deals" has he got?

It is just a pellet stove ... http://www.harmanstoves.com/Products/P43-Pellet-Stove.aspx Owner's Resources section at bottom will get you to an owner's manual that can be downloaded.

Heating from the basement is always a tricky thing. Most are not very successful. The better house layout is a fairly open floor plan and central stair. Good insulation, windows, doors and weather stripping aids with that.

You'll be hearing from the Harman owners soon...

Thanks for the info.. Trying to figure out what i should do or look for...

DAKSY said:
IIRC, The P43 CAN burn a mix of fuel (25%?), but it is primarily a wood pellet burner...
Your Michigan winters are AT LEAST as bad as those in NY & I don't believe you'll be
happy with the results of trying to heat that much space with a P43.
I tried to heat a 1450 sf home with a P43 in the basement & the basement was warm,
but getting that heat to the upstairs was problematic.
Like Lake Girl said, you'll be pushing the upper limits of the unit & it will never shut off.
If your dealer has a P61A available for a decent savings, I know that's the direction I'd take,
because I DID. I STILL have some issues getting the heat to move around the main floor,
but there's more heat from the P61A to work with.

I been looking at all 3 of the "P" models. Believe 68 would be WAY to big and i would have to open windows to keep temp tolerable. I have a open stairway from basement to living room with a dummy floor grate in the hallway by the bedrooms. It has worked well with wood stove for years. Would like to open the dummy vent to a 2'x2' opening if not larger to allow air rise.

DiStUrBeD · Sep 10, 2015

bags said:
That is a SWEET price on a new P43. Sounds like they want to move them to new homes instead or rolling them to the new show room or shop. Moving sale price.

I agree with everyone above but every home varies. I easily did 2,350 SQ Ft on two levels with high ceilings and tons of glass with one P68 but that is another 25K BTU's. I'm not sure a P43 would have done it but then again the wife likes it 75-76* also. You may have a shot and might be worth the deal at hand. Worst case heat the main floor and living area and look for another deal for your lower level.

Better yet how many P43's do they have at that price? Two new for $4 grand is just as sweet if you can swing it. How about any reduced price P68's or 61's?

I wish I had been in on a deal like that last fall. You're saving $1,000 bucks from the get go.

Yeah well as usual it was long gone. Sucks that it said on there web site "end of summer moving sale". Then i called and talked to the owner and she informed me that it was listed in June... Since when is June the end of summer??????????????? Oh well... my luck....

drewmo · Sep 10, 2015

DiStUrBeD said:
I been looking at all 3 of the "P" models. Believe 68 would be WAY to big and i would have to open windows to keep temp tolerable. I have a open stairway from basement to living room with a dummy floor grate in the hallway by the bedrooms. It has worked well with wood stove for years. Would like to open the dummy vent to a 2'x2' opening if not larger to allow air rise.

Just because the 68 is a bigger stove, doesn't mean you have to run it full tilt. It's easier to get less heat out of a big stove than it is a more heat out of a small stove.

Sorry to hear the deals vanished.

Bioburner · Sep 10, 2015

DiStUrBeD said:
Questions being... I believe this is just a pellet stove and not a bio mass stove. Correct?

To be technically correct wood pellets are "lignocellulosic biomass"

Lake Girl · Sep 12, 2015

DiStUrBeD said:
I been looking at all 3 of the "P" models. Believe 68 would be WAY to big and i would have to open windows to keep temp tolerable. I have a open stairway from basement to living room with a dummy floor grate in the hallway by the bedrooms. It has worked well with wood stove for years. Would like to open the dummy vent to a 2'x2' opening if not larger to allow air rise.

A pellet stove is a very different beast than a wood stove ... most are controlled by a thermostat to assist in maintaining a constant temperature. Depending on the stove, it can be a thermostat and probe on the unit or a wall mount. Stoves can turn on/off with heat requirements or fluctuate burn from a higher level to an idle mode. The specifics for a stove are generally figured out by experimentation with controls to see what works for your home.

Tonyray · Sep 12, 2015

drewmo said:
It's easier to get less heat out of a big stove than it is a more heat out of a small stove.

Exactamundo......

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