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I had to put an outdooe air intake in my basement for the hotblast was having all sorts of problems until i did
I dont really understand what you mean by that.
Right. They can sell off existing inventory until Dec. 31, 2015.I was at the hardware store here in Maryland and they had brand new
non EPA compliant stoves for sale
All im saying is i have 2 units neither have epa reburn or cats and because my fires are robust and get sufficient air i am able to burn cleanly on both units and have minimul to average cresote buildup. Only time mine are smokey are briefly after reloads. I dont see how and older stove could be that smokey consistently unless it was not being operated very well. Just my 2 cents take it for what its worth ...I'll shut up now
Problem is that they are not the odd ones in some places, they are the norm for many. You can drive around rural WA state and run across these smoke dragons chugging out clouds of smoke pretty easily on a winter day. Look at some big stove exchange programs and they take them in by the hundreds in one area alone. And this is in a state that put in strict regulations on wood stove emissions from the get go a few decades ago.
This still is not an uncommon site in rural WA. Two or 3 stoves burning like this can fill up a cold valley with smoke. Then all residents suffer.
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I was at the hardware store here in Maryland and they had brand new
non EPA compliant stoves for sale
I dont see how an epa vs. Non epa stove would affect the indoor air quality. I would think bad draft/chimney setup and carelessness on reloading causing smoke spillage and things of that nature would be legitimate factors.
They will all die in time!
Where exactly do you think your indoor air came from?I dont see how an epa vs. Non epa stove would affect the indoor air quality.
I completely agree. Offer literature on whatever your concern is and put the issue to rest. As a doctor, that's all you can do. The ultimate decision is with the patient/parent/legal guardian. I was actually listening to something similar to this just this morning on the radio where children in schools are being subjected to surveys in class (where answers can't be influenced by parents) asking questions ranging from "have you ever done this drug?" to "do your parents own guns?" to "are you sexually active?". It's mind blowing. Several teachers actually called in and verified that they had to administer questionnaires just like this in their classrooms. I think the most disturbing part is how manipulative they are and that they prey on the naiveté of children because they KNOW they're invading the privacy of families and that the parents would never divulge answers to the types of questions they ask.Wow, 4 pages of thread drift!
To me the point of the post was not the risks associated with compromising indoor air quality, it was feeling that pediatricians are overstepping bounds (it appears they are doing so as prompted by the government) of their authority and intruding on that of the parents. I'd appreciate a friendly, "if you heat with wood here's some information to consider" handout but don't like the "looks" that one gets for asking questions about vaccines, fluoride in municipal water, or the really nasty looks one gets for not answering the questions altogether. Last visit we went home with a nice handout telling us not to engage in certain risky behaviors like riding ATV's. It happens that we don't have an ATV (I the mean dad that makes his kids pedal ...), but if you want one for your kid that's your deal. If we want to juggle flaming chainsaws at my house that's what we'll do and it's our business. We were also granted a marvelous "child appears to interact well with mother" rating after being observed for under a minute. I was upset we didn't get a trophy or at least a sticker.
In canada for insurance purposes you would not be covered if you were to use one of these such stoves. They must have a UL listing and be certified by a WETT technician...But the older, dirtier stoves may be reborn by home stove-builders. As the EPA tightens regs, new stoves will become more expensive. As pre-EPA stoves die out in time, there is nothing to stop home welders from making (and selling) their own stoves from barrels or plate steel or what have you. Certainly the law won't stop them, any more than it stopped drinking, brewing and distilling during Prohibition.
In canada for insurance purposes you would not be covered if you were to use one of these such stoves. They must have a UL listing and be certified by a WETT technician...
"A new study I saw on PBS 2 nights ago showed that Amish farm kids have almost no allergies at all. About 1/100th of the normal! Their environments were clean but not overly sanitized. The theory is that dust and dirt exposure at an early age substantially reduced allergies in children. It seems counter intuitive but the stats are very clear. Kids suffer from far more allergies when raised in an overly clean environment. You'll find a wood stove in the Amish farm homes too."
This. When we were last in Amish country I quietly giggled to myself about this very thing. It was the first time in *years* that I'd seen kids *with actual dirt on them.* Not every kid and not in every setting, but there were kids who were obviously outside playing and helping on the farm, and OH NOES, THEIR CLOTHES WERE DIRTY. The kids themselves seemed happy enough.
I, too, have run across references to kids exposed to dirt and dust developing better immune responses, both more efficient and less randomly sensitive. ??? I guess time and further research will tell.
I beg to differ. I've learned a great deal about the respective areas of expertise from both. On the off chance the comment was intended as a pejorative on the dangers of rigid, dogmatic thinking, I'd suggest "this isn't the wood version of Planned Parenthood" would be a better fit.This site isn't the wood version of the NRA.
I beg to differ. I've learned a great deal about the respective areas of expertise from both. On the off chance the comment was intended as a pejorative on the dangers of rigid, dogmatic thinking, I'd suggest "this isn't the wood version of Planned Parenthood" would be a better fit.
I doubt that is the point. If it is the point it would have been more accurate to properly identify it as NRA-ILA. Here is some quick info on NRA: http://mic.com/articles/23929/10-surprising-facts-about-the-nra-that-you-never-hearI think the point is, the primary function of the NRA is no longer simply education. It is a political and lobbying organization first and foremost. Education, safety and training is secondary.
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