Second stove for the home

Ok everyone, a stove store by me is running a sale. It looks like I can get a Napoleon 1101P for about $1000-$1100.

This is the stove I know fits in the space available and seems like a decent choice based on what I have read. So, I ask you all for your opinions when it comes to the following:

1. Does anyone have any experience with Napoleon products?
2. What can I expect from this stove?
3. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to a stove that will fit?

Kitchen Dimensions:
13'x14'

Fireplace Dimensions:
35 3/4" Wide
26 1/2" high
30" at it's deepest point

What I am hoping to get out of this stove:
-6-7 hour burns
-Decent air controls as I will not be in the room during the day all that much. A new stove should obviously have more accurate controls than my old VC Vigilant, but I would like to have it burning at a nice temp without checking too often to be sure the temp isn't creeping up.
-I would like it to heat the kitchen and the upstairs master bedroom (the flooring is wide plank pumpkin pine with no Insulation between the first and second floor. I may also cut a vent into the floor above the stove). I would also like to provide some heat to the dining room and the middle bedroom.

Floor plans are attached.

Will I get a better response if I throw in some political mumbo-jumbo that we can argue about?

Highbeam said:

Napoleans are just plain steel stoves, nothing special.

They'll run just like any normal non-cat stove. 6-7 burn times are not out of line. Stove creep is typical.

I like the jotuls, morsos, or even the PE alderlea for smaller secondary stoves.

What's your actual question? The Napolean will certainly be functional in an Englander sort of way.

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Thank you for the reply.

The PE alderlea seems to be a stove and not an insert. The fireplace is too small to get a decent stand alone stove into the space. The Jotuls and Morsos seem to be out of my budget range right now. I got a price for a Jotul insert and it was about $2500. I have heard several people on this forum mention positive things about the Jotul, but I can't afford it at this point.

My main question is; Has anyone had any bad experiences with Napoleon models. I know it is a cheaper model, but I wanted to be sure it was a decent model. And are there any other models out there that are close to the same price range?

sonnyinbc said:

And don`t cut the vent--unless you like the idea of a fire spreading really quickly, totally out of control. and most likely ending in your termination.

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Cut what vent? Do you mean the air controls? Not sure what you are referring to.

sonnyinbc said:

Look at the PE Pacific, decent product for a good price.

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Thanks, the PE Pacific does seem to be close in price. I will take a look at it.

sonnyinbc said:

And before you get into the holes in the floor thing, check with this forum,check with your insurance company, and check again to make sure you are totally in touch with the real world of what wood burning involves.??

Wood heat is really nice, but remember to do it right!!

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I appreciate your concern. I have been burning this winter with the first stove I had installed in the other portion of the house. The master bedroom used to have a cutout in the floor that was over the fireplace back in the 1800's. This was common back in the day to keep an eye on a fireplace that ran throughout the night and to help move heat. I was thinking of removing the small replacement planks that were installed in the early 1900's and replace it with a grated vent to help with the heat rising into the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone on here has a very old home and if they have done this with any success (in terms of heat movement).

CTwoodburner said:

I cannot tell you about the stove but I would think that one of the smaller jotuls would fit too - like my Castine.

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I do believe one of the Jotuls will fit into the space, not sure if it’s the Castine as it appears to be a stove and not an insert. I like the look of the Jotuls, but the pricing is beyond my reach currently.

CTwoodburner said:

I will say that I hope you can move some of that heat easily because a stove is going to crank that small area up pretty good. Passive vents are ok but don't really do the job. I think you will have to plan on moving some air.

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I agree; that is a problem I will have. I do not know how successful I will be at moving a lot of air. I would have liked to have had a stove centrally located, but it just isn't possible with the layout. I am looking at small fans that can be attached to the upper corner of a door frame. If you have had any success in moving heat, I am all ears!

Hiram Maxim said:

First off what model BAR you talking here? I hope its 1918A2 and not sissy hunting rifle? ;-P

What about this ammo? how much you got?

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Actually I have a Browning belt-fed 1919. I started using the BAR handle online when I was looking into buying either a BAR (a 1918A2 variant) or the 1919. I ended up with the 1919 but I continued to use the BAR name for online purposes. It's just easier to reuse the same name instead of trying to come up with something new.

In regards to ammo, it is like cords of wood. You never have as much as you want. Currently I am under 20,000 rounds in varying calibers.