A burn time / ember question

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I think you are going to find both stoves burn the same. It appears that Morso is doing a little CYA plus seeing the glass half empty whereas your Jotul rep sees it more half full.

I burn my Morso all night, every night. Guess I'm breaking the rules. :lol:
 
wendell said:
I think you are going to find both stoves burn the same. It appears that Morso is doing a little CYA plus seeing the glass half empty whereas your Jotul rep sees it more half full.

I burn my Morso all night, every night. Guess I'm breaking the rules. :lol:
Hi Wendell,
does your Morso have enough embers the next day to re light a log?

I wouldnt care what Morso say I would keep it going at night, because thats when it gets colder.
 
roddy said:
so,morso is only good till bed time...shucks,i really like the look of their modern stoves, rounded doors and all...

Naa, I think along with Wendell we could break the rules. Morso are making some very attractive and very efficient stoves. Jotul also.

Still cant decide, maybe I will toss a coin and do it that way.
 
AngusMac said:
Hi Wendell,
does your Morso have enough embers the next day to re light a log?

No, at least I've never even thought about trying. When I get downstairs in the morning I just open the door, run a poker through the ash to get it to drop down into the pan, pull the pan and step out the door to dump it, put it back in, pull the coals into a pile, lay down some kindling and then some smaller splits and then some bigger splits, give the glass a quick wipe with a wet paper towel to remove the little bit of white haze that formed over night, close the door so it is just cracked open, let the fire establish and close the door and adjust the air as soon as it is ready.
 
We have a Jotul 600 that we bought used ($1,700, Ebay item, located less than 100 miles from home) last January. As it turned out last February was the worst winter we've had after 35 years in this house. Prior to it we had and old (pre-EPA) Earth Stove that would burn anything we could fit in its monster firebox. Our wood was not well seasoned, less than a year down in some cases.

The Jotul is a wonder. Yes, it will burn overnight (closed damper) with no problem and yes, you can fire it right up in the morning without much fuss. My morning routine is somewhat similar to an earlier poster's, let me detail it here. First off I don't stay up all that late so the last time the stove sees wood is around 11:00 or so. Although the firebox accepts 24" splits (from the side door, the front doors are more or less worthless) we cut our wood closer to 18" long split to about 5~6" widths. In the mornings (usually around 6:30~7:00) I will stir the ashes so they drop down into the pan (which I empty every 2nd or 3rd day),push the remaining coals to the center of the box, slip in a couple of smaller splits - not kindling, just smaller pieces - open up the damper, and take care of other morning business. When I get back its lit up and I turn the damper down to about half way where it sits there and idles all day with a top-of-stove temperature of 450~500 F.

As best I can judge it our wood consumption rate went down by about 25% with the Jotul in comparison to the Earth Stove. We have year and a half old seasoned wood this year, 10 cords stacked and covered just waiting for the cool weather to arrive. Our wood is primarily White Oak and Maple with a good bit of Elm tossed in for our splitting pleasure. Our home is right at 2000 square feet on two levels, not well insulated at all and will poor air flow from lower level to upper but the stove does a good job of heating it all. We also have oil-fired baseboard hot water heat as backup and went through less than 100 gallons of fuel last winter.
 
Hello Kong, thats interesting and I have a simmilar morning routine to you.

We burn Elm, as we have 20 acres of it and it all died 8 years ago of Dutch elm disease. I replant after I clear a bit with Birch and Beech.
In 8 years my brother and I have cleared about 1 1/2 acres !

I would be interested to know if theres Dutch elm disease in America ??
 
AngusMac said:
I would be interested to know if theres Dutch elm disease in America ??

Yup, there certainly is. In some parts the elm has been gone for a long time, in others it's just now dying in large numbers (from what I hear).
 
It's starting to show up here on the west coast. I've been waiting for it to take down the big English elm we have in the backyard.
 
BeGreen said:
It's starting to show up here on the west coast. I've been waiting for it to take down the big English elm we have in the backyard.

I hear English Elm is very difficult to split, because it grows with a twist.
English Elm doesnt really grow with us and we have Wytch Elm, which is straighter and only ever has a slight twist nearer the bottom of the trunk.
Dutch Elm disease arrived to us 8 years ago, and is slowly spreading north, it is now about 100 miles north of where I live.
 
AngusMac said:
BeGreen said:
It's starting to show up here on the west coast. I've been waiting for it to take down the big English elm we have in the backyard.

I hear English Elm is very difficult to split, because it grows with a twist.
English Elm doesnt really grow with us and we have Wytch Elm, which is straighter and only ever has a slight twist nearer the bottom of the trunk.
Dutch Elm disease arrived to us 8 years ago, and is slowly spreading north, it is now about 100 miles north of where I live.

Yes, I'm not looking forward to splitting that wood. It ends up looking more like you shred it apart than split it. I'll miss the shade, but not the tree. It is not one that should be planted within a thousand feet of a house. The tree spreads underground through a very aggressive root system. It's worse than willow.
 
I dont envy you BeGreen, it will be hard work.
The Wytch elm is pretty tough, but it can be split by hand without too much difficulty.
3 winters ago I cut and split approx 80 tonnes, enough to last me many many moons !
 
I saw this on ebay, Jotul number 6
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But I didnt know they used to be made in Sweden and assembled in Norway !!
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AngusMac said:
BeGreen said:
Unfortunately the only F250 we see on this side of the pond is a Ford truck. But I did look at it on the Jotul UK website when you started this thread and like it. Does it have a deeper firebox than the F274?
I think it has a simmilar sized firebox, tho maybe not so high.
My brothers wife says it looks like a SpaceHelmet, but my wife likes it.
I think it weighs in at about 104 kg, pretty modest by Jotuls standards, I have read some reviews about it and it comes out very well, and read that it always has enough embers in the morning to re-light.

This is a cleanburn, but dates from the earlier cleanburn period which means they class it as an intermittant burner and it will therefore keep burning a bit longer, the latest cleanburns which mostly seem to draw air from tubes all the way up the back of the stove (to pre heat it) seem to have quicker burn times, I suppose this is to keep the stove burning hotter and cleaner?
So, I m working at sea just now, half way between Scotland and Norway, but plan to take a trip to our nearest supplier of Jotuls and Morsos when I get home.

I've been looking more at the F250. A couple differences I think you would see with this stove in comparison to the F602 are warm up time and the way it heats. The F602 is a radiant stove. It's almost an instant heater once a fire is established. The F250 is a convection stove. It will not throw off the heat in all directions like the 602 and will take a bit longer to warm up the room. But this can actually be very nice when the area being heated is on the small side. I would also expect the F250 to have a longer burn time based on the firebox capacity, but have no experience with the stove, so that is conjecture.
 
BeGreen
We had a look at the f250, really nice stove, but if we fit it into our living room, it would have to have a 45deg bend coming straight out the top, to be able to fit into the existing flue, because it does not have a rear exist flue. I dont want to put it in the alcove because it would only have an inch either side, so no air circulation.
If it wasnt for this it would have been an ideal choice.
 
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