Isle Royale First Burn

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Sierra Guy

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Sep 9, 2010
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Northern California
I finally "fired up" the new wood stove with dry and seasoned oak planning on 3 break-in burns. One going to 300 degrees, one to 400 degrees, and one to 500 degrees. You never know what to expect with a new piece of equipment and unskilled operator but I was really pleased with the the 300 (photo included) and 400 burns which went just as planned. I had good control of the temperature and when I shut the primary air the fire lowered and finally went out. Great! I can do this! But then I tried the 500 degree burn.

Everything was normal to about 450 degrees. Then it was like the stove went into full afterburner and the temp jumped quickly to 600 degrees. I'm sure the secondary burning kicked in at that point since we saw the pretty flames licking up both sides of the stove to the burn tubes on top. The fire seemed calm...calmer than I was...and certainly didn't look like a blast furnace but I guess the heat was there.

I tried another burn yesterday with similar results. Started with kindling, added two or three 2-3 inch logs and gradually let the temp build. However, when it hit 450 degrees or so it took off again. I shut primary air and the temp leveled off at 600 degrees and stayed there until the logs burned out. I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible with this stove to burn at 500-550 degrees like I planned. However, I wonder if the jump in temp is just because the burn tubes on the Isle Royale are just under the griddle where I placed the temperature gauge? If this is the case the temperature inside of the stove may be less that the temp gauge reads. The fire certainly didn't look like it was burning all that hot. Maybe I'll have to do this by just viewing the fire vs. using a temperature gauge.

I would appreciate any thoughts you might have. Thanks in advance.


Jim
 

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Sounds like that beauty is performing well. With a full charge of wood, it will want to go at least 100 degrees higher. This is a big, serious stove. For moderate weather, continue to run smaller charges of fuel as with the last burn.
 
Try as I might, my Endeavor likes to 'cruise' around 600-650F. Sure, I could back it down and smolder the fire and get a lower temp on the stovetop, but I don't see the point in that, really. You'll appreciate that 600F when it's really cold out. Again, great looking install.
 
Relax and enjoy not only the show, but all that wonderful heat you get when it is at 600 degrees. That is definitely not too high of a temperature. It sounds like you will get along just fine.

Also, you can bet your booties that the temperature inside that stove is a lot higher than the stovetop temperature! We figure double on our stove; we engage the cat at 250 but the interior temperature will be around 500 at that temperature. So, when we burn at 650-700 degrees?!!!
 
Thanks for all of your responses. I'm too used to the Defiant Encore we had for years. I could control its temperature as registered by the temp gauge between 500 and 700 degrees. Now I'm not sure if the temperature gauge is much help or how high I can let it go. Do you think 700 to 750 degrees is a reasonable goal for max temperature? 800 degrees? The small to medium size fires that occur with 600 degrees on the gauge makes me think there is quite a bit of room for increase.
 
I'd think 700 degrees would be okay but always hesitate to go any higher although I know some folks who take their stove to 800 on a regular basis. I'd rather stay on the low end. Good luck Jim.
 
700 for max is a good guide to shoot for, although you are unlikely to hurt it if you nudge past that. I like
to keep mine cruising between 550 and 650. If you want a cooler fire, you can try shutting the air down
earlier in stages. Mine doesn't like less air until I get to 500, but if I move it down quickly at that point (in five minute
intervals), I can get the fire to level off at 500-550.
 
600-650 should not be that difficult to maintain. We've got the same model and color and it took about a season for me to learn how to best work the stove. For instance, as convenient as the top loader function might be, I can load more wood through the front doors. Having to turn the baffle back to the horizontal position after loading doesn't allow me enough wood for an all night burn. This is our fourth season and it's been wonderful.
 
Hey, I'm following this one too.

I'm switching from the Defiant Encore also. Couldnt wait-new kid with a new toy. Our first fire in the isle royale really was interesting. i can't believe the heat this thing puts out. Maybe becasue the encore all the action was in the back, in the IR theres a lot of heat in the front it seems.

Anyway I just have a temporary setup into the fireplace (No insulation) just a block off plate. I'm also going to be running a liner. So I suspect it will just get better.

If anyone can offer ticks and tricks on how to burn this puppy please share.
 
Again, my thanks for your continuing comments which are very helpful. I was wondering where the Isle Royale owners or others place their temperature gauges or if it makes much difference? Right now, mine is in the middle of the griddle in line with the forward edge of the plate inside that holds the burn tubes.
 
What thermometer do you (and other Isle Royale owners) have? It might help me to have the save kind to compare notes when mine gets here.
 
I'm in the same boat. I shoot for a max of 500 but my stove (insert) seems to be happiest when it hits 600f. I think at that point the hot chimney liner has a draft that really starts pulling serious combustion air through the secondary air intake, and most of the combustion is visable around the secondary tubes. At this point I'm able to close down the primary air to nothing. Between the blower, air and the way I stack the wood in the stove there's about a dozen different ways to get there.
 
Sierra Guy said:
Again, my thanks for your continuing comments which are very helpful. I was wondering where the Isle Royale owners or others place their temperature gauges or if it makes much difference? Right now, mine is in the middle of the griddle in line with the forward edge of the plate inside that holds the burn tubes.

I have a Rutland thermometer, and it's placed about three inches left of center in the middle of the griddle.

There are hot and cold places on the griddle. In the very center of the griddle, front to back and left to right, I have 650 right now.
Where my thermometer is, it's 550. On the extreme left back, it's 360. Those readings are from my infrared thermometer.
 
I put mine 3 inches up on the front of the 6inch pipe. I have an IR gun thermometer and when I am in 550 -600 degrees on the pipe thermometer the IR reads the same as the thermo.

If I shoot the stove with the laser pointer on the middle of the griddle it will be around 800 in the center whan the pipe is 600. The sides of the stove that are above the inner baffle that you can see from the windows is always 140 or so higher than the temp just right below that where the baffle reflects heat bak into the burn box.

I would suggest getting an IR gun thermometer so you can check out all the hot and cold spots on the stove and check your condor or rutland thermometer. Its also useful for checking the stove pipe at various levels and the wall and floor.


Its educational and fun and a great way to really know what is going on with your stove and hearth.

Patrick
 
Thanks, Patrick, for the good information. I think you're right, it's time to invest in an IR gun thermometer. My connectors are double-wall and I've been wrestling as to whether or not to invest in a thermometer to find out what's going on in there. We're still experimenting and, so far, have managed to control the stove temperature to stay below 600 degrees as measured on the griddle. Still treating the Isle Royale with "kid gloves". Anyway, thanks again for the suggestion and temperature data.
 
I run mine at the hottest( top out then turn down primary air for a nice 450-500 degree) on the pipe thermometer at 600...that equates to about 800 on the griddle....been doing that for a long time and no problems at all...definately not too hot for the cast iron. if the temps get a bit high on you and gives you a bit of a scare just turn on the fan on full ...that cools the top off nice as you are also shutting down the primary air.I have found it very important to keep the area in front of the air inlet (directly behind the 2 door handle latching mechanism free of wood and stuff as this is your primary iar source . also dont forget to pull out the startup air knob after you get her going well.

If you have any questions feel free!
 
hoverp said:
I run mine at the hottest( top out then turn down primary air for a nice 450-500 degree) on the pipe thermometer at 600...that equates to about 800 on the griddle....been doing that for a long time and no problems at all...definately not too hot for the cast iron. if the temps get a bit high on you and gives you a bit of a scare just turn on the fan on full ...that cools the top off nice as you are also shutting down the primary air.I have found it very important to keep the area in front of the air inlet (directly behind the 2 door handle latching mechanism free of wood and stuff as this is your primary iar source . also dont forget to pull out the startup air knob after you get her going well.

If you have any questions feel free!

I just ran a burn test , did a "HOT" test... the Rutland thermometer read 625 ish and the actual griddle max temp was 645 (IR gun) ...the reading from the IR gun on the pipe next to the Rutland was 450. So my griddle is about what my Rutland reads and the actulal pipe is about 150 less than the Rutland.

let it cool down and did it at a Rutland indicated 500 degrees...again the griddle top was about 520 in the hottest part and the pipe was around 360 next to the rutland.
 
Ahhh...the Isle Royale (did ya catch that BG, I said RoyALLLLE).

Loves to cruise at 600-650.

One of the easiest start up stoves I have EVER witnessed.

Very forgiving. Yes, I have seen temps north of 800F on accident. Bad Jags, bad Jags.

You can run 500 if that is your goal, but your gonna have to do it with less than a full load of wood. Just sayin.
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Jags - pretty darn seasoned IR operator.
 
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