To Line or not to line and if so what type

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sergetto

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Jan 25, 2011
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Tacoma WA
Hello,
I have a masony fireplace that I want to put a woodburning insert into. (Fairly large with 8in opening already purchased)
The fireplace chiney is external on the house. Looking at the fire place from the inside it is raised above the floor about a foot, with a concrete slab sticking out over the floor in front of it.

I already cut out most of the existing flue (very rusted) and could remove the top brinck in the back wall to make room for a liner.

A fried suggested using the black stove pipe (I bought at lowes) to either go from the insert a little way up the cimney or all the way to the top.

Reading online it appears that the thin black stove pipe is not desnged for external use (does that inclue a covered chimney?)

I have also seen pictures of rusted through black sove pipe after a years use (this was in a basement with alot of humity, however coal was burned instead of wood).

Also I read about the thin stove pipe would not heat hot enough causing increased creosote build up.

Looking online it appears I can pick up a maganaflex stainless steel liner for about 4x the cost.

Should I go that route? How do you clean a flexable liners? Just like a smooth run? Woudl it lower the creosote build up?

Thanks!

Brian
 
You need an insulated liner to sun light. OK - need might be a strong word, but it would be the best.

Slammer installs (short pipe up the stack) are usually a big headache with the new EPA stoves. Get a liner, get it insulated and get cranking some heat with the best, safest install that you can.

Oh - and YES and insulated liner to sunlight will reduce creosote build up when operated properly.

And welcome to the site. :cheese:
 
Thank you for the fast response. The liner I am considering is not insulated but I am guessing would still be alot better choice than black stove pipe or nothing at all?
THanks again.
 
Hmm, I found another post on the subject of my last question. It appears that with my chimney being external and only 15' and that I may not be burning 24/7 it would be best to insulate but not required.
Thanks,
Brian
 
The quick and dirty is that you will be fine with or without insulation. Your stove is going to burn wood and you are going to feel heat. Insulation is an added benefit that will help reduce creosote buildup, extend the longevity of your liner and provide a few safety precautions that are otherwise overlooked. Not everybody has enough room in the flu for an insulated liner. You can put your stove in the fireplace, connect the liner and call it a day but it's not going to be the most efficient and safest way to do it.

Everybody on here will recommend insulation, both around the liner and at the top and bottom of the flue, along with a block off plate installed where the liner passes through the original damper.

Black stove pipe will work as well, but again, is not the most efficient or safest route to go. You also need to check with your local building codes and your homeowners insurance to make sure you are in compliance with those. The last thing you want is for your house to burn down due to a incorrect or unsafe installation and the insurance not cover your losses for the same reason.

*Disclaimer: I'm extremely new and could be wrong on every single account. I am however achieving amazing results with the help and information that I have acquired from this site.
 
I was curious about that myself.
So I have decided to purchase the stainless liner. But might not purchase the insulation for it. I am curious what type of insulation I could put around the top portion of the chimney to help create a sealed air section in the chimney around the liner.

I was also going to seal the insert in with grout and rocks (instead of using the side panels) so I think all the air around the liner would be pretty stagnate.

Thoughts?
Thanks!
 
Full reline will be MUCH, MUCH easier to sweep. Do you really want to pull that insert out every year?
Sounds like you bought an older insert if it has an 8" outlet.
 
Yes clay liner, not sure if it goes all the way down. Looks in decent shape.
It is an older insert, a big Magnum by CountryStoves....
 
Well, first things first:

1. Pretty much all current woodstoves/inserts require 6" liners. If you work with what you've got you be spending money on an 8" liner. If you decide a couple of years down the road to replace your insert, you've just wasted $$ installing an 8" liner when later you will need to replace your 8" liner with a 6" liner.

2. You said you are going to 'fill in' with rocks and mortar around the insert: Have you figured out how you will clean the chimney with this type of install? Do you have access inside the stove for creosote to drop when brushing the liner?
 
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