Lazy Flame

Finished the install on Englander 10-cpm and did a short burn this past monday using green supreme pellets.
Was also wondering if it is burning right?
It seamed ok, discharge air temp into room was 140.
Only had it going for an hour, from start to shut down on setting 5-5.
I have a 3" flue that 45's off stove, then 12" jt thru wall to tee and 3" vertical for 12'-0" and vertical top, enough to clear roof line by 3'-0".
Being new to this just, would like to know best adjustment and optium settings.

I cant distinguish a lazy flame either...I go by the sparks. If they fly towards the glass and stick there its not enough airflow, if they fly slightly higher and towards the heat exchange rods than its right...keeps the stove cleaner and seems to make better heat

Flame needs to stand up. If you push in the damper rod the flame gets lazy and sort of flops around. Pull the damper rod out to get some more air and you can see it stand up and get more active. It just looks right. You can tell.

*NOT like in my avatar
THAT WAS A LAZY FLAME...

richkorn said:

Flame needs to stand up. If you push in the damper rod the flame gets lazy and sort of flops around. Pull the damper rod out to get some more air and you can see it stand up and get more active.....

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As for the OP's question, the video that philbrick provided above has some good examples of good and not-so-good flames. The first 2 examples of lively flames on med and low are VERY similar to what I see in my 10-cpm.

And for nhredbird, optimum settings are subject to different stove set-ups, exhaust set-ups, and pellets used. The factory lower button settings of 1-4-1 are a good starting point. When it gets really cold, I bump them to 2-4-1, or 3-4-1 for more heat. Then, just adjust the heat & fan control to suit your needs.

Ok... I will bite... But I will be the 1st to ask what stove you have?? Can you please add it to your Signature line? Top of this page says "Your Control Panel" .. click on it, then click on Your Signature on the left hand side of screen.

Many stoves have different burning characteristics. All 3 of my stoves burn a little different. Different burn pot, different burning characteristics .....

A lazy flame is a Slow flame, that will be sooty and have black (ish) tips. A normal flame should have sparks and embers flying out of it every time new pellets drop, along with very active tips that dance pretty fast. This all depends on the stove. My Quad is like a blow torch compared to the Fahrenheit.

imacman said:

richkorn said:

Flame needs to stand up. If you push in the damper rod the flame gets lazy and sort of flops around. Pull the damper rod out to get some more air and you can see it stand up and get more active.....

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As for the OP's question, the video that philbrick provided above has some good examples of good and not-so-good flames. The first 2 examples of lively flames on med and low are VERY similar to what I see in my 10-cpm.

And for nhredbird, optimum settings are subject to different stove set-ups, exhaust set-ups, and pellets used. The factory lower button settings of 1-4-1 are a good starting point. When it gets really cold, I bump them to 2-4-1, or 3-4-1 for more heat. Then, just adjust the heat & fan control to suit your needs.

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The lower three buttons only take effect when the heat range is set on 1 or 2, correct? I thought that was the way I understood it.

On the EP the bottom three effect on all heat settings. ( according to a conversation with tech support last season)

Imacman, I didn't know you could change the bottom 3-buttons.
The manual states not to change them they are factory set?
Can you better discribe how to and what they do.
In the 3-settings you you talk about, your only changing the first number?
Another question i have is using a t-stat, should i use theirs or do you recomend another?
Thiers comes with specific instructions?
The manual also says to leave the heat range at 5-5 when using the stat?
Its still not cold enough to let this thing run for any length like I,m sure it will & should.
Just trying to better understand it.

nhredbird said:

Imacman, I didn't know you could change the bottom 3-buttons.
The manual states not to change them they are factory set?
Can you better discribe how to and what they do.
In the 3-settings you you talk about, your only changing the first number?
Another question i have is using a t-stat, should i use theirs or do you recomend another?
Thiers comes with specific instructions?
The manual also says to leave the heat range at 5-5 when using the stat?
Its still not cold enough to let this thing run for any length like I,m sure it will & should.
Just trying to better understand it.

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Regarding the lower three buttons, do a search.

The topic has been discussed numerous times.

bd911 said:

On the EP the bottom three effect on all heat settings. ( according to a conversation with tech support last season)

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I did a search and found it actually depends on the stove. This is what I found:




“It actually it depends on which model stove it is , which board, and which revision chip it is.

�Igniter boards: it has play in higher ranges.

�In the �non igniter� boards it only affects the lowest two settings (1-2)

� All top feed stoves it affects all settings

�Bottom feeders - Contact Mike Holton at Englander so he can see what revision chip the change was made for, but as far as stoves with original equipment built 2003 and prior (non igniter), the presets only affect heat ranges 1-2â€

After doing a search, i did find alot about this.
I don't think i have any problems.
It looks now, i will wait for it to get colder and spend a Sat. making minor changes.

nhredbird said:

After doing a search, i did find alot about this.
I don't think i have any problems.
It looks now, i will wait for it to get colder and spend a Sat. making minor changes.

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Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

I'm assuming you now know how to adjust the lower 3 buttons.

As for the t-stat, a lot of people on the forum use Lux units, including myself. They work well, are easy to program, and allow you to adjust the "swing" settings....very useful on pellet stoves.

This is a nice unit:
www.amazon.com/Lux-Products-TX1500E-010-Programmable-Thermostat/dp/B001C0G4O8

nhredbird said:

.....The manual also says to leave the heat range at 5-5 when using the stat?
Its still not cold enough to let this thing run for any length like I,m sure it will & should.
Just trying to better understand it.

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Yes, not cold enough to run on 5-5 w/ stat.....that will only work well when it gets really cold out. I set my stove on 2-4 this time of year, but it STILL cycles on-off too much.

Was 63 in the house last night ran the stove on 5-5 for 2hrs brought the temp right up to 68.
It was only 52 outside.
Wife was happy.
I took a measure of discharge air temp was only 140, thought after a couple hrs would be hotter?
Flame is up high on start up, then settles down to 2" to 4" above pot.
When i shut it down it only takes 8-10 min to cool and all fans stop.
I like the stat, thanks.
Looked at the back of control unit saw the words thermosat, is the jumper to be removed, the small bare silver wire on bottom?
Which 2-terminals are used on the stat?

nhredbird said:

Was 63 in the house last night ran the stove on 5-5 for 2hrs brought the temp right up to 68.
It was only 52 outside.
Wife was happy.
I took a measure of discharge air temp was only 140, thought after a couple hrs would be hotter?
Flame is up high on start up, then settles down to 2" to 4" above pot.
When i shut it down it only takes 8-10 min to cool and all fans stop.
I like the stat, thanks.
Looked at the back of control unit saw the words thermosat, is the jumper to be removed, the small bare silver wire on bottom?
Which 2-terminals are used on the stat?

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Yes, you loosen those two screws and remove the jumper. Your thermostat wires connect up there.

nhredbird said:

....Which 2-terminals are used on the stat?

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W and RH.

If the stat comes with a jumper wire, remove that one too.

I keep thinking krooser gonna pop in with a one liner any post now! :cheese:

Thanks guys for helping out the newbie.
This weekend looks like t-stat, co-detectors & more pellets.
Ran it agian for couple hrs last night, love not having a chill in the house.