Masonry or Metal

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tcassavaugh

Minister of Fire
Jan 10, 2010
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Southern Maryland
Hey guys, I currently have a PE Summit that I am not overly enthusiastic about. As a result I have seriously considered buying the Blaze King, especially for the longer burn times and bigger wood box. So, when I bought the house 20 years ago and installed my Consolidated Dutchwest I put in a 6 in double wall thimble through the basement cement wall and chimney outside the house. I recognize that if I go with the BK, the connector is 8†and you should not neck down to a 6â€. That in itself causes me to install a new chimney. In redoing it, what would you guys recommend? Would it be best to stay with a metal pipe for a chimney or would it be better to just build a masonry block and tile chimney instead? Thanks for the insight.

cass
 
Whats wrong with the Summit, I like the metal chimneys due to less hassle installing and they work betterIMHO. I have a summit and am wondering why you dont like it.
 
You should check with local building codes and insurance to see if a masonary flu would have to be lined and insulated. By the time you built a masonary chimney and put a insulated SS liner inside, you could have bought 4 metal chimneys. I had the same debate years ago and I went with a class a metal chimney. At the time, a metal chimney was more practical for me in terms of money and time. If I could do it over I would have a masonary chimney. Im thinking most codes and insurance companies require a SS lined masonary chimney.....
 
oldspark said:
Whats wrong with the Summit, I like the metal chimneys due to less hassle installing and they work betterIMHO. I have a summit and am wondering why you dont like it.

Nothing wrong particularly.....While the burn times are longer than they were with my Large CDW, it doesn't seem to want to throw the heat the way the DW did. It seems to take longer to get up and running good. I like the blower on it and it helped keep the basement at a more even temperature, maybe even the whole house by circulating the air better. Maybe its steel vs. cast iron. Wood was seasoned and dry, some of it standing for a couple of years. If i had a "do over" i would probably get a Jotul or BK. Have concisered the Princess, but sticks are shorter than i would like them to be. should check the code, i know that my chimney to my furnace is a masonary/brick/clay liner.

cass
 
I don't think the BK is going to put out more heat unless you ran it all the time on high, which will be defeating the benefits of the cat. It sounds like you miss the radiant heat of the old Dutchwest. The Summit is a convective stove. It's steel box is wrapped in a convective outer jacket that allows closer clearances. The stove will radiate good heat out of the front, but not from the sides. But it certainly can produce a lot of heat.

If you are looking for a big stove that is also radiant, the Jotul F600 or the Quadrafire Isle Royale are two good choices. Both take a 6" collar. In steel, if you want to stay with the 6" pipe, you are going to want a simple box that is unjacketed like the Englander 30NC, Drolet HT2000. The Enerzone 3.4 would also be worth considering.
 
it might be the radient heat factor. i considered the Jotul F600 and opted for the Summit instead. I know the little Jotul F 3B i have upstairs in the living room for the shoulder seasons and those days in mid Jan/Feb when can sometimes get really cold can really get warm. That might be exactly what it is. One factor that has really made me consider the BK was the burn time and loads. I'm away for 12-14 hrs during the day before i get home and a long burn time would certainly help. I get about 12-14 with the Summit if I use a combination of the draft and pipe damper.

cass
 
Yep its probably the radiant thing, I too maybe have made the same mistake but with my new chimney the Summit gets hot fast.
 
i gotta say that the glass stays clean on the summit. think i only cleaned it one time last season. then, mostly to wipe off the fly ash that accumulated. can't say i care much for the ash pan/hole either. not the best set up. guess i prefer the grates of the DW or Jotul. we'll see how it goes this season. maybe i can grow more fonder with time. like i said, i do like the blower as it tends to keep the temp in the house more even and moving. i do miss having an easy clean-out of a masonry chimney. i used have to pop the bottom of the pipe to get empty any accumulated soot after cleaning. now after cleaning i just pull the stove pipe from the thimbal, on the inside, and stick the vacume hose from the shop vac back there and get it out. really much easier than messing with the bottom of the pipe and making sure you have it closed back up right.

cass
 
I do wonder the same things. Masonary to me while taking longer to heat up would hold heat longer keeping draft up when fires burning down. I would think i could really scrub with masonary, abuse it more. However metal i think could take higher heat better and longer. Either way chimneys are a replaceable item, metal wins hands down on that.

Im looking forward to seeing a buddy burn a regency 3100 with a 6in round masonry flue.
 
cass, if the goal is very long burntimes, then the Blaze King King could be your ticket. It will be costly, but should have a warm fire to greet you after those long work days.

PS: You are right about the PE ash dump. Quite worthless for us. We don't use it.
 
thanks guys, appreciate all the input and valid points.....like mentioned earlier, i might give it one more season and see if i learn to like it more. i can start with the summit and always change further in.

cass
 
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