Had a chance to see what poor fuel burns like.......

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NH_Wood

Minister of Fire
Dec 24, 2009
2,602
southern NH
Hi all! Posted a topic about a week ago about a friend who had a problem with smoke spilling from the firebox of his new NC-30. Long story short, he had installed an old pipe damper from his previous install and it had locked in the 1/2 closed (or open!) position. He removed the damper and replaced the pipe and no more smoke problem. Issue solved.

But.....I new that he didn't have well seasoned wood, so as we were preparing to figure out the problem, I brought a good load of bone dry red maple - just to see how it burned in his stove (I thought the smoke spillage might be due to poor wood). By the time I reached his house, his wife has added a few splits of his wood to the fire. It was not burning well, and I goofed around with the air settings to see if I could get the load to burn a little better. At wide open, the load would catch flame, but as soon and I shut the primary, the fire would begin to smolder. I left the primary wide open and burned down the splits for about 3 hours. Finally had a good bed of coals and then loaded about 6 mid-sized splits of the maple, N/S. Before the last split was in, the wood was on fire, I shut the door with the primary wide open. Within 5 minutes, I began to dial down the primary. Within 15 minutes, had the primary nearly closed (left it at ~ 10% open to give the airwash a boost - his glass had become quite dirty). Had beautiful secondaries for at least 2-3 hours and the stove was throwing some serious heat. Burned that load and he was very impressed with how well his stove good burn. Stayed a good long while (a good day for brews) and after the fire was down to coals, we added about 6 splits of his wood. Same issue as before - poor burn, hard to catch, hard to keep flame, hard to reach good temps, etc.

A few main points I brought home from the outing:

1) Never had a chance to burn poorly seasoned wood in an EPA stove. I know the importance of well-seasoned wood (from this site) and I've managed to get 4 years ahead and I'm burning 3 year seasoned wood now. All the problems related to wood burning that you read on this site, and the constant talk of the need for dry wood and the problems of wet wood are absolutely dead on. No surprise here - just interesting to see what it is like to burn poor wood and all the problems associated with doing so.

2) The NC-30 is a beast. Massive, deep fire box and it can (with dry wood!) throw some serious heat and for a long time. I had recommended this stove to him, and I'm glad I did - very well made and is good looking IMHO (he has the legs, rather than pedestal).

3) Although you can preach dry wood till your hoarse, it seems to not quite sink in with some folks. My friend saw the difference first hand and agreed with the major difference in ease of managing the fire, heat output, etc., but never seemed to indicate a strong desire to change the way he gets his wood (buys it late).

Burn on my well-educated wood friends!

Cheers!
 
Nice report! You'd think a little first hand evidence and experience would have him at least considering it...
 
This is why if I were in the business of selling stoves, every stove sold would go to the new owner with 1/3 cord of truly seasoned wood.

Glad to hear that you were able to get him straightened out. Is he going to get a few years ahead on wood now?

pen
 
cmonSTART said:
Ya, everyone here in NH seems to think that cut this spring = seasoned. To be fair, that is what's being sold.

Agreed - he buys in late spring, and the wood is sold as 'seasoned', even though a lot of the wood is obviously recently split oak. Hoping he'll decided to finally get a couple years ahead. I'm trying to convince him to go in on a grapple load with me and his brother - we all work up the load and split cost and cords. I don't need the wood, but I'd do it to get him ahead. Cheers!
 
pen said:
This is why if I were in the business of selling stoves, every stove sold would go to the new owner with 1/3 cord of truly seasoned wood.

Glad to hear that you were able to get him straightened out. Is he going to get a few years ahead on wood now?

pen

Pen - that would be an excellent idea - let the folks know how well dry wood burns and that their stove isn't the culprit. We'll see if he goes for getting ahead - I'll help if I can. Cheers!
 
NH_Wood- Good of you to try and educate the guy. I am hopeful that he will take you
up on the grapple load. That way you can get him more interested in the
gathering/processing aspects of it and maybe he will come around to the idea.

Cant make a horse drink, but if you keep it around the water hole long enough...
 
Some folks are doomed to repeat their mistakes. Chicken today, feathers tomorrow folk don't invest in the future but sure can complain about today.
 
I usually keep 2 or 3 years worth in the woodshed and maybe another 1 or 2 years worth outsite waiting to be moved to the shed. I've tried covering the top of myoutdoor stacks but it doesn't make any real difference since they get to spend another year under the woodshed roof anyway.
 
cmonSTART said:
Ya, everyone here in NH seems to think that cut this spring = seasoned. To be fair, that is what's being sold.
Just to play the devils advocate that will work with the right kind of wood, but one can assume if you are smart enough to know that you will be farther ahead on your wood supply.
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
How exactly do you guys store your wood? stacked out back with a tarp on it ok ?

Hey pilgrim, you've asked a question that has been debated over and over here. I stack my wood out back completely uncovered in the sun and wind. This works fine for me. If I had a nice open shed or a way to cover the wood with rigid covers that wouldn't trap moisture, I think that would be better. If the only choice was to cover with tarps that tend to trap moisture I think that would be worse. There are guys who cover and guys who don't - the main thing is to make sure you allow moisture to escape easily, keep good air movement through the stacks, and keep the wood off the ground.
 
cmonSTART said:
Ya, everyone here in NH seems to think that cut this spring = seasoned. To be fair, that is what's being sold.
Ja, felled this Spring but bucked and split yesterday. I've burned a lot of same year wood in my lifetime but at least bucked it up right away.
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
How exactly do you guys store your wood? stacked out back with a tarp on it ok ?


I keep mine along the outer side of my driveway (I live in a rural area). I can probably fit about 30-40 cords over there without having to get creative. I bring it in a wheelbarrow at a time and once I get the firewood holder I have my eye on I can probably bring in 3-4 wheelbarrows worth at a time. Shoulder season I may only bring in a large canvas holders worth.
 
Wood Duck said:
Lewisthepilgrim said:
How exactly do you guys store your wood? stacked out back with a tarp on it ok ?

Hey pilgrim, you've asked a question that has been debated over and over here. I stack my wood out back completely uncovered in the sun and wind. This works fine for me. If I had a nice open shed or a way to cover the wood with rigid covers that wouldn't trap moisture, I think that would be better. If the only choice was to cover with tarps that tend to trap moisture I think that would be worse. There are guys who cover and guys who don't - the main thing is to make sure you allow moisture to escape easily, keep good air movement through the stacks, and keep the wood off the ground.

ok cool. This is how I have mine....stacked up against the concrete back of my house (basement concrete goes up about 8')

What do you guys do if it rains or whatnot? How bout when it starts snowing? Do you have a "secondary" drying area?

How long do you keep your wood in the secondary area to REALLY dry off before you burn ??
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
Wood Duck said:
Lewisthepilgrim said:
How exactly do you guys store your wood? stacked out back with a tarp on it ok ?

Hey pilgrim, you've asked a question that has been debated over and over here. I stack my wood out back completely uncovered in the sun and wind. This works fine for me. If I had a nice open shed or a way to cover the wood with rigid covers that wouldn't trap moisture, I think that would be better. If the only choice was to cover with tarps that tend to trap moisture I think that would be worse. There are guys who cover and guys who don't - the main thing is to make sure you allow moisture to escape easily, keep good air movement through the stacks, and keep the wood off the ground.

ok cool. This is how I have mine....stacked up against the concrete back of my house (basement concrete goes up about 8')

What do you guys do if it rains or whatnot? How bout when it starts snowing? Do you have a "secondary" drying area?

How long do you keep your wood in the secondary area to REALLY dry off before you burn ??


I'll tarp a section and bring in a days worth or more if I know rain or snow is coming.
 
LLigetfa said:
cmonSTART said:
Ya, everyone here in NH seems to think that cut this spring = seasoned. To be fair, that is what's being sold.
Ja, felled this Spring but bucked and split yesterday. I've burned a lot of same year wood in my lifetime but at least bucked it up right away.
Yep, like seasoned wood as much as the next guy, but ya have to do what ya have to do to stay warm sometimes.
 
oldspark said:
cmonSTART said:
Ya, everyone here in NH seems to think that cut this spring = seasoned. To be fair, that is what's being sold.
Just to play the devils advocate that will work with the right kind of wood

Yep... pine, fir, & spruce season that fast no problem (at least out here in Mt)...
 
I've burned more than my share of wet wood. It takes a lot of work but it can be done. It can even be done relatively cleanly.
 
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