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Forum member "Franks" dealt a lot with the Europa line. Have not seen him around much. Although last I remember, he got locked out of his profile (forgot password). So maybe he is here daily and I dont know his new screen name?? But Franks had a 75 as his Avatar and spoke highly of there efficient burn. There were similar to how you burned a coal stove (IIRC) light in November and put out in April.