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Post in 'The Inglenook' started by Huntindog1, Dec 22, 2013.
It might all be over. Not that I think it should be. Whats the world coming too.
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for that network. it's such a high rated show someone else will pick them up
Good point, Its amazing I heard the other day they are already a half billion dollar operation. Money always wins out in the end, lol.
agreed. the show is about nothing but the lives of the people in the robertson family. that should go hand in hand with their beliefs. if you don't like their family or what their beliefs are the there is 1500 at least other channels to watch. at least once in every show they show their belief in jesus and that's their right. if a family member shows some disagreement with the way someone lives their life well that is what the show is about. their lives in their small town usa. i find nothing wrong with what he said because that is his given right as a american i may not agree with some of the things he said but thats him and not me. more power to him i love the show and i'll keep watching it no matter what network it's on.
i hope they all stand behind phil no matter what happens. and back to money they have all made theirs and their kids share.
Cracker Barrel has already apologized to their customers for taking Duck Dynasty products off their shelves in reaction - and quickly put them back. A&E is contending with a huge backlash from viewers and it appears Mr, Robertson will be back in January.
This typical drama will end up just filling their coffers further.
I think the world has simply evolved and are no longer lemmings following one ideology (religion). Perhaps I am wrong....
PS. I am a fan of the show.
Never seen the show.
If someone on a network show does or says something that they feel tarnishes their brand- they should be allowed to drop them. That's it. It's a business, not a public service. He's the spokesmodel that got acne. The announcer with a cough.
You may not like it, but your opinion just one under consideration when they decide what will put eyeballs on the screen- the consideration is their own brand.
Further- when you consider his words in the context of previous things he's said about homosexuals, as well as blacks in the Jim Crowe era... well, he really is both a hateful and entirely ignorant jackwagon of a person.
Never cared for that show all that much . . . like many other so-called reality shows I found the situations that occur on the show to be contrived and made for TV and far, far from reality.
Hope this thread doesn't get political too fast.....I sense the ash can....
But, interestingly enough, I'm on the Duck guys "side" on this one. There is such a thing as being "too PC" and anytime we open our mouths, we tend to offend someone or some group. All comedy (well, most) is about being offensive......same with sarcasm, etc....
I don't watch any TV, but the once or twice I flipped through DD it was pretty funny......but, again, I was laughing at them and their ways.
But, bottom line, it's more about money than anything else. Free Speech is all well and good, but you have to be willing to accept whatever the consequences of that are. Some celebrities just bow out of commenting about their personal beliefs. Those who don't have to accept that some people (probably a minority) aren't going to like what they say....
Americans seem to enjoy toppling people over. We exalt them and then crush them later.....that's entertainment.
Anyway, the whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Media fodder. Doesn't matter a lick....I'm sure if each of us here expressed our deepest opinions, we'd offend each other to no end.
He is free to say whatever he likes. I am free to call him ignorant for his views. A&E is free to can him if they think he's a pariah.
He has free speech in public, not on a network show that sees him as a liability.
Robertson in 2010: "Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."
Sounds like he hates them to me.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/when-you-defend-phil-robertson-heres-what-youre-really-defending-2013-12#ixzz2oJ1PdT6W
Yeah, but if you can quote a book that confirms that some higher being also hated, it's OK.......
Actually, I'm down with all that. People are free to hate and free to quote books about it. But you are correct - when it comes to business, anything goes. The porn biz is big too, and some people don't like it. Breaking Bad? Imagine the morality lessons there! Yet that's about the only series I have watched in the past few years!
As others have said, those folks are probably nothing like that show in real life. Reality TV is the biggest cash cow the industry ever received. Imagine - no more stars and actors needed. You just get crazy off-kilter people and tell them to act out....
We should do "Hearth.com Dynasty". I'd invite all the banned folks back in...starting with Elk. We'd then hash it all out in person.....maybe we'd move into a big house near Boston and then butt heads and personalities.
Gotta get Pook in the mix as well . . . not that anyone would be able to understand what he was saying though.
Most of our Mainiac friends are invited - except you, because you are too normal....
He'd be like JimTom on Moonshiners- they could have a translation at the bottom of the screen.
It would have to be somewhere in the north country. There need to be some fights about how to stack the wood or whether to top cover or not. Somewhere cold so there can be fights about how to load the stove.
Maybe Norway or something
We could have stove battles. Put them on dollies and bash them into each other - see which holds up.....
Sorry, I will be busy during the filming time.
That would be a first . . . someone calling me normal.
Agree. Bigotry is in the heart and mind. You can't change it by silencing it. Im completely comfortable with letting bigots be bigots.
here's the thing, the magazine asked the questions , he answered them, the mag was likely clued in that he would likely respond the way he did to the questions. basic "gotcha" moment. is he wrong? probably so in the context of the toppic these days. as for the comments on race , who knows, if he was out there tending to the same crops alongside these folks, he would see the day to day "at work" side of things not necessarily the "national happenings" of the time. notice he didnt generalize he specified the folks he had day to day contact with (who may very well have been happy go lucky types who were working at the same jobs they had been all along) do we know? no we dont.
FWIW, A&E who apparantly have a strict "morality clause" in their contracts with the members of the casts of these shows may have determined these comments violated that clause and they are within their rights to do what they did. well and good. i have no problem with that. also , if this is their stance then maybe just maybe they should have not aired the program to start with. they have known for some time this was likely going to happen (if they didnt theyre idiots).
where i have issues with this is the diference in treatment the rest of the media has when compared to the way these things come up, the "bashir" issue with palin, the perez hilton incident with carrie prejean. the "well, he shouldnt have said that" and thats all there is. these statements are every bit as revolting but when the views of the offenders is looked at, the harshness of the coverage is literaly as benign as it can be made to look, heck in the prejean case (remember , when asked about marriage in the ms america pagent she said that she beleived a marrage should be between a man and a woman, and she got absolutely hammered for that. even after the hilton comments were"old news' the media still hammered her. and she did absolutely nothing wrong. she didnt make disparaging remarks about gays, she just said she believes in traditional marriage and left it at that.
as for Phil, i do not agree with him, i am supportive of same sex marriage (though im straight and married in the traditional manner) i simply believe its a matter of civil law, not religious tenant. remember , supporting doesnt mean participation, just acceptance that different people have diferent beliefs and these beliefs should not be constrained to "seperate but equal"
Tolerance is in short supply on all sides of this one. I sometimes watch the show and it strikes me that it is like Mayberry, for a little more mature audience. What he said outside the show sucks.
Hah Hah, Mike "morality" clauses in Reality TV? That's pretty funny. Next thing you know, Disney will tell us Miley has the same clause and that twerking is not OK.......
I just laugh about stuff like this. Taking it seriously and debating it is sorta silly. I think PC has gone a bit too far in our media culture.......after all the Duck guy said he sexually sins also. So if someone is ignorant enough to think most any sex (or many) sex acts are "sinful", it's no surprise that they don't like gay sex! This guy is probably praying for forgiveness for his own wanking...am I allowed to say that here?
Well, yeah, I guess...as long as no one takes the ball and runs further. Point is, if you believe we are born in sin and most everything is a sin, then calling something a sin is not news!