Cat stove, new user, ice storm coming, ill-prepared(!), several questions

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So we bought this house in '04, and it has a permanently installed wood stove insert in the fireplace. I've been reluctant to use it since I didn't really know the state of the chimney, didn't want wood stacked on the porch, and a handful of other lame excuses that people who do know wood stoves would laugh at me about.

What I've got is an Appalachian BM-4000 made in 1993. I've contacted them about getting the manual, and all I can get is one for something fairly similar (or so they tell me) for a Gemini-XL. My stove does have a catalytic combustor, and I suspect that it's the original, and was used a good deal. I know the guy who owned the house before told me he'd keep the house warm all winter on a cord of wood. Since I have't used it, that means it's got about 11 years of use on it, and I've read that the useful life is nominally 6 years, and up to 10 if you're fortunate.

So we've got this potential ice-storm bearing down on us, and while I have a 6KW generator, it's not enough to run the heat-pumps, and it's not on a transfer switch. I've laid in some propane for a couple heaters, gas for the generator, food for the dogs, and beer for me. I also decided it would be good idea to get the stove running. I cleaned out the 8 years of ash that's been sitting in there, inspected the flue (which looks pretty clean, but I realize is no substitute for a proper cleaning and inspection by someone who knows what they're doing), purchased some "seasoned" wood, although I'm now having some doubts just how seasoned it is.

Per the Gemini-XL instructions, opened the damper, opened the draft vents, used newspaper and kindling to get some small stuff going (which was hard to light, required a several tries, it just wouldn't catch), and finally got some larger pieces in and burning. Waited 30 minutes, closed the damper, but left the draft vents open for a high burn. Here's where the questions start:

1) I never could get really much of a roaring fire going. Some decent flames, but nothing like burning limbs in a 55 gallon barrel. Closing the damper pretty much put the flames out after a bit, but I had some good solid coals in there, and was throwing a lot of heat out the blower vents. What's a fire with the damper closed and the combustor (supposedly) lit off supposed to look like? Is this likely a sign that the combustor is clogged? And as near as I can tell, this model stove doesn't have a thermocouple port to monitor the combustor temperatures.

2) Sooner or later, you've got to let the fire go out, if nothing else to clean the ash bed. Are you supposed to shut the draft vents and open the damper? Nothing in the manual talks about this, but they do talk about all these great ways you can screw up your combustor. I would *guess* that as the fire quality goes down, you'd want to open the damper to keep as much junk as possible out of the combustor. Pure theorizing on my part.

3) CLR/CSL logs: use them or not? The ones I've seen say they're approved for stoves with catalytic's. What they DON'T say is whether to use it with the damper open or closed. I'm guessing damper open, again, on the basis of keeping anything but heat from clean, dry wood going through the combustor.

After watching some videos that Applied Ceramics has on their website (good videos, too), I think I understand how it works. I'm quite hesitant to drop the damper/combustor arrangement for inspection until after this storm passes. If I can't get it back together or break something, I don't want to leave my self in the position of not being able to use it at all.

Disclaimer: I would have preferred to wait to use the stove until I could get a chimney inspection. I also should have waited until I dropped the catalytic assembly for inspection. However, the prospect of the house freezing up was a major consideration for me, and chimney appears in good shape (light gray, no black or thick accumulations that I could see).

Any and all advice appreciated,
--JC
 
First the bad news: You can't fake good wood (no matter what those viagra commercials say). The good news is you're human and by birth a master of fire.

A thermometer for the top is a good indicator of how hot you're going to get your stove. Sounds like you've got a cat stove, with which I'm not familiar. I do know that a lot of the burning for those stoves goes on out of site, so you might be doing great and not know it. If your wood is "semi-seasoned" you're going to have a battle on your hands. Try some 2x4s or bust up a pallet, fill the firebox about 1/3 way, and watch it. That will give you a good idea of how it should act. Of course you're not going to get a lot of coals with pine. My first year with wet wood (seasoned 9 months) was a challenge.

If you're getting that much heat out of the blower it sounds like you've got it working, but its a balancing act. My first season I would keep the air open too far, and the blower on too high. It would cook me out of the room, rarely would the secondaries glow, and the house heat was uneven. Now I put the blower on low/off, pull back on the air and aim a floor fan at the stove from 15' away. This seem to keep the firebox hot enought to maintain good combustion while not overheating the stove room. Most burners gravitate towards this solution.

I LOVE IT when the power goes out!
 
You sound like someone with allot of common sense. You will be fine. Use the stove to get you through the Ice storm then get a competent chimney sweep in to go through the system from top to bottom. I agree with the pallets and scrap lumber idea. It will give you a good indication of how the stove will perform with ideal wood. As for the CSL logs, unless you have build up, don't bother. They supposedly make cleaning easier but wont remove any build up.

I do not have a Cat so take this with a grain of salt. I think you are right on with your theory. Bypass open on start up, closed after a well established fire, open during reloads, etc.
 
[quote author="JC Wren" date="1294595738"]So we bought this house in '04, and it has a permanently installed wood stove insert in the fireplace. I've been reluctant to use it since I didn't really know the state of the chimney, didn't want wood stacked on the porch, and a handful of other lame excuses that people who do know wood stoves would laugh at me about. We wouldn't laugh at you though . . . most of us tend to be pretty darn friendly. I can't say as though I blame you for being a little leery of using this without having the chimney checked . . . but as for the wood . . . you can always stack the wood away from the house.

What I've got is an Appalachian BM-4000 made in 1993. I've contacted them about getting the manual, and all I can get is one for something fairly similar (or so they tell me) for a Gemini-XL. My stove does have a catalytic combustor, and I suspect that it's the original, and was used a good deal. I know the guy who owned the house before told me he'd keep the house warm all winter on a cord of wood. Since I have't used it, that means it's got about 11 years of use on it, and I've read that the useful life is nominally 6 years, and up to 10 if you're fortunate. Don't know a whole lot about cats or this particular stove . . . but I do know from reading from cat users that cat stoves a) tend to like well seasoned wood and b) it seems as though the combustors need replacing a little more frequently than every 11 years for most folks.

So we've got this potential ice-storm bearing down on us, and while I have a 6KW generator, it's not enough to run the heat-pumps, . . . I also decided it would be good idea to get the stove running. I cleaned out the 8 years of ash that's been sitting in there, inspected the flue (which looks pretty clean, but I realize is no substitute for a proper cleaning and inspection by someone who knows what they're doing), purchased some "seasoned" wood, although I'm now having some doubts just how seasoned it is. Well if you can't build a time machine and go back in time to have a sweep check the chimney and then go back farther in time to order some wood so you know it is seasoned . . . then I guess this is as good as you can get it . . . for now. My own take . . . you've got to do what you've got to do . . just keep this in mind and perhaps take the time after the "emergency" has passed to do the job right by having a sweep inspect the chimney . . . and yeah . . . you're probably right about the wood . . .

Per the Gemini-XL instructions, opened the damper, opened the draft vents, used newspaper and kindling to get some small stuff going (which was hard to light, required a several tries, it just wouldn't catch), and finally got some larger pieces in and burning. Waited 30 minutes, closed the damper, but left the draft vents open for a high burn. Here's where the questions start:

1) I never could get really much of a roaring fire going. Some decent flames, but nothing like burning limbs in a 55 gallon barrel. Closing the damper pretty much put the flames out after a bit, but I had some good solid coals in there, and was throwing a lot of heat out the blower vents. What's a fire with the damper closed and the combustor (supposedly) lit off supposed to look like? Is this likely a sign that the combustor is clogged? And as near as I can tell, this model stove doesn't have a thermocouple port to monitor the combustor temperatures. Don't know about cat stoves . . . so hopefully a cat user or two will come along shortly.

2) Sooner or later, you've got to let the fire go out, if nothing else to clean the ash bed. Are you supposed to shut the draft vents and open the damper? Nothing in the manual talks about this, but they do talk about all these great ways you can screw up your combustor. I would *guess* that as the fire quality goes down, you'd want to open the damper to keep as much junk as possible out of the combustor. Pure theorizing on my part. I have an ash pan myself . . . but folks without them tend to scoop out the ash when the fire has died down . . . again hopefully some folks who do scoop out the ashes will tell you what they do
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3) CLR/CSL logs: use them or not? The ones I've seen say they're approved for stoves with catalytic's. What they DON'T say is whether to use it with the damper open or closed. I'm guessing damper open, again, on the basis of keeping anything but heat from clean, dry wood going through the combustor. OK, I may be able to help you out here. Normally I tell folks that if you have well seasoned wood and run your stove correctly in terms of air control and temp these are not necessary . . . however since you have not swept the chimney I will say that they can't hurt things . . . but on the flip side they probably will not help a whole lot either since the chemical process they use to turn the shiny, black creosote (which you may or may not have) into the burned out popcorn looking creosote is not done with a single fire or two . . . After watching some videos that Applied Ceramics has on their website (good videos, too), I think I understand how it works. I'm quite hesitant to drop the damper/combustor arrangement for inspection until after this storm passes. If I can't get it back together or break something, I don't want to leave my self in the position of not being able to use it at all.


Disclaimer: I would have preferred to wait to use the stove until I could get a chimney inspection. I also should have waited until I dropped the catalytic assembly for inspection. However, the prospect of the house freezing up was a major consideration for me, and chimney appears in good shape (light gray, no black or thick accumulations that I could see).

Any and all advice appreciated,
--JC[/]
 
Welcome JC. Sounds like you are getting a good handle on things. I changed the title to Cat stove to attract some more targeted responses from the cat crowd.
 
With a cat stove, you want to get the temperature up hot enough to light off the cat. If you have a cat bpyass, get the stove temperature up and then put the cat on. Once it lights off, no need to disengage until reloading even if you let the fire go out.

A good source of info on cat stoves in general and their operation is from woodstock. Go to woodstove.com and they have a wealth of info free to read.

Good luck,
Bill
 
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