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  1. spadafore New Member

    joined: Sep 4, 2008
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  2. logger Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 28, 2009
    520 posts
    Pine Barrens, NJ
    Careful there.. you could be bidding against a board member here. Good luck. LOL
  3. tickbitty Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 21, 2008
    1,486 posts
    VA
    There are a couple threads on here regarding the older Lopi's, and that's what that one is. Apparently pretty good stoves but not to be confused with the more recent EPA versions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------'


    ETA!! - I stand corrected, this appears to be an early listed EPA model? It is listed if it's the ones on the list below, which I think it must be!. (though if it's really from the 80s etc it still won't be the same as the current models) In that case, it's certainly worth more than a smoke dragon since it also looks like it's in great shape or has been restored well. Seems like older EPA stoves can go for 500$ - 800$ or so from what I have seen if they are listed. I sold a nice EPA Englander for $500 in like 5 minutes on CL, and I would think a Lopi would do better than that.

    http://www.epa.gov/oecaerth/resources/publications/monitoring/caa/woodstoves/certifiedwood.pdf

    Travis Industries, Inc Lopi Flawless Performance 380, 440 7.00 6900-48700 63 Non Catalytic
    Travis Industries, Inc. Lopi Endeavor, Lopi Revere , Lopi Republic 1750, 1.94 9300-42200 63 Non Catalytic
    Travis Industries, Inc. Avalon Spokane 1750 380-NT & X-NT
  4. tickbitty Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 21, 2008
    1,486 posts
    VA

    Someone can correct me if I am wrong. If the model is listed, then it's listed right? Or did they change things within a model number over time?
  5. woodjack Member

    joined: Jan 10, 2008
    501 posts
    Woodstock, NY
    It looks like a nice stove.
    Ask the seller what his reserve price is. That may give you an idea how high you should bid, or not bid at all.
  6. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,925 posts
    Northern Virginia
    The Lopi M380 is a early 80's pre-EPA stove. It is not on the EPA certified list. It was the twin sister of the M520. Brick baffle, no secondary combustion system.
  7. woodjack Member

    joined: Jan 10, 2008
    501 posts
    Woodstock, NY
    I'd hold out for an EPA certified stove that has secondary combustion. You'd never regret it.
  8. fossil Super Moderator

    joined: Sep 30, 2007
    9,147 posts
    Bend, Oregon
    "Listed" and "EPA Certified" are two different things. "Listed" means a UL (safety) approval. "EPA Certified" means approved from an emissions standpoint. "Listed" predates "EPA Certified". This stove is very likely "Listed", but not "EPA Certified". Ask the seller to either post a close-up pic of the manufacturer's label on the back of the stove, or to quote exactly verbatim the information on that label. This is probably a very capable stove, but I think it's pre-EPA, so there are some places where a permit for installation would never be granted. Rick
  9. fossil Super Moderator

    joined: Sep 30, 2007
    9,147 posts
    Bend, Oregon
    That Lopi was sort of a "transition" model...built while the industry was beginning to understand and try to incorporate secondary combustion and facing the imminent stricter EPA standards. It has a rudimentary "secondary combustion" capability...but nothing compared to its more modern offspring. (Emphasis on "rudimentary"). The M520 was a contemporary design with a bit more sophisticated secondary combustion capability. Rick
  10. I checked the pics and one thing glared at me, wondering if it bothers others. The door gasket doesn't look right. It seems to me oversized and provides no sealing at the door mating side.It could be the pics, and I am not familiar with this stove, but it looks like it has been rehabbed, but not with proper burning in mind.
  11. tickbitty Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 21, 2008
    1,486 posts
    VA
    So then what were the 380 stoves on the certified list? (linked and pasted above)
    Was there a model 380 that came later, that is on that list? Didn't expect it to be on there, but there is a Lopi model 380 on the certified list. Whether it's that one, I don't know...
  12. fossil Super Moderator

    joined: Sep 30, 2007
    9,147 posts
    Bend, Oregon
    That's why you need to know exactly what the tag on the back of the stove says. This particular stove might be certified, or it might not be. Seems the model number stayed the same through a number of design iterations, right during the time when EPA certification came into being. If it has a serial number, that might be the Rosetta Stone. Rick
  13. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,925 posts
    Northern Virginia
  14. Pagey Minister of Fire

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    Middle TN
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