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n3pro Posted By n3pro, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

  1. n3pro

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    Forecast was for a low of 40, we hit 38. I had to do :D a shoulder season beak in fire to take the chill off. This was the second fire in the Englander. The first was shortly after it was installed to check out the install.

    Outside temperature is way off for some reason. Outside temperature was 56, inside is correct.
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    I lit off the Englander. Since its so big and on the warmer side I did a 1/4 super cedar in front and a 1/4 one in back.
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    Getting going
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    Cat is enjoying the entertainment he missed all summer long.
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    Now he's cooking
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    That's more like it.
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    Coaling
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    Ending temperature upstairs, again the outside is WAAAYYY off.
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    Stove top peak temperature with the IR thermometer was 557. I was quite impressed with the stove.

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  2. Jack Straw

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    That cat may have missed the fire, but he sure hasn't missed a meal;lol
     
  3. n3pro

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    They say pets take after their owners . . . Or is that owner take after their pets ?

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  4. Flatbedford

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    If I made the house 85 degrees my wife would be pissed and the AC would be on!
     
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    Hehheh . . . I was thinking the same thing.

    Maybe he/she is just "big boned." ;) :)
     
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  6. Jags

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    Eeeek....85 is a bit warm for THIS fat boy.

    Looks like that 30 is gonna do you well when the bottom falls out of winter.
     
  7. Cross Cut Saw

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    AHAHAHA I was thinking the same thing...
     
  8. fossil

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    If I get it to 85°F in my house, everybody I know has left the house to either hang around in the driveway or on the deck, or they've just gone home. I find it interesting that I tolerate warmer house temps in the summer and cooler temps in the winter. Dunno exactly what that's about, but my house can be 82°F inside in summertime and I don't find it too uncomfortable (winter I'd be boiling). It can be 65°F inside in the wintertime and I'm OK with that (summer I'd be freezing). I s'pose it's not a simple phenomenon. Outside temp certainly plays a role, as does how I've adjusted my mode of dress (lined winter jeans vs. shorts, e.g.). During the heating season, using my woodstoves, I try to keep inside temps in the mid 70°F's. Rick
     
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  9. n3pro

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    Yeah, usually I aim for 75. This is upstairs in the bedroom which is why during normal burning season I keep the door closed until about two hours till bed time. The living room topped off at 76. Summer we have the thermostat at 78. We like it warm which is one of the reasons we switched to wood heat. The heat pump couldn't keep up warm enough.

    This is why I'm referred to as Mr. 97 degrees by the wife's one friend. The older I get the less I can adjust to the cold.

    One thing I noticed Fossil, 75 with the windows open is great, 75 with air condition is chilly to me. Same way with heat, 75 with heat pump was cold, 75 with wood is warm. I know humidity has a lot to do with it and I have also noticed outside temperature does change how the same temperature feels inside. One of life's imponderables.



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    I spend as much time as possible outside year 'round so my body seems to adjust. I always tell my wife that I can't wait until winter when it isn't too cold in the house for me.
     
  11. n3pro

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    After having a few fires now I got and odd temperature situation. I'm using single wall pipe like I have for four years. I was getting concerned because I couldn't get flue temps above 300 degrees outside single wall pipe confirmed by IR thermometer. I was getting stove top temperature between 550 and 610. I figured the best way was to put a probe type thermometer in there to get more accurate internal temperature. I'm getting 800 inside but only showing 300 outside and IR is 323. I learned on here that outside is roughly 1/2 of inside so I should be getting 400 outside not 300. Odd.

    Makes me wonder what I was really getting the last four years when I was showing 400 outside with the Napoleon. The only difference is some paint.

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  12. Corey

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    I wouldn't put a lot of worry into stove top vs flue temps. There is no set rule and certainly no equation which can be exactly calculated. You put a probe in and it says 800F ...but you could move it a bit further up, a bit further down and that could change quite a bit. Probe the flames in the stove and it could say 2000F.

    The two main things I look at...temp on top/center of the stove itself...gives me some idea of how hard it's running and stove temp vs stack temp at some fixed location. This ratio will tell you how efficient the stove is running. Hot stove, cold stack = efficient. cold stove, hot stack = not efficient. With time, you will get the hang of running the stove and a 'feel' for when it is running efficiently and putting out max heat for min wood consumption.
     
  13. Gasifier

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    Cool post there n3pro. I have been wondering what my inside temperature was on my stack. My magnetic thermometer usually reads between 225-300::F depending on how good of gassification I have. I had heard about the doubling it to get inside temp. You just confirmed that within a pretty close range. So now I know I should have an inside temp of 450-600 degrees. Late last season I did away with my black pipe inside my basement from my ash cyclone in order to keep the temps higher in my 27' chimney off of my boiler. I installed double wall insulated S.S., another sack of money :rolleyes: <>, but worth it. I have not had any creosote since. We will see how this winter goes with it. Thanks for those pics. I like that heat meter, or whatever you call that fancy do hickey thinga ma bob ya got dere. [​IMG]
     
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  14. n3pro

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    I understand but in my mind if the flue temperature wasn't going up as high as I would like either I have a problem, which was my usual assumption, or if it is not high enough I wouldn't be able to sustain the draft necessary to maintain a good cruising fire. Both cases would become a creosote issue.


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  15. n3pro

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    Glad to hear the post helped and you got your situation solved. I've become interested in the temperatures. I just like to know what's going on, from the chimney sweeps comments it is a great thing.

    Unfortunately money goes too fast. Wood burning has become more of a hobby to me so spending more money than necessary is part of the adventure.


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