Sort of related to my "Creosote" thread http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/any-creosote-experts-identify-this-buildup-how-do-i-clean-it.103160/ Im going to re-do my stove pipe to where it meets the Selkirk. I plan on making it a straight shot and removing the T and 90*. So now the question of brands: Locally all that is available is either the Selkirk DSP or the ICC Ultrablack. I looked at the Selkirk the other day and wasn't that impressed. The centre pipe is just sort of floating and the connector areas dont look "finished". Price was considerably cheaper than the ICC at $113 for a 40"-68" telescoping section. Tomorrow I plan on looking at the ICC in person. I looked at them online, and the connector area looks much more finished. I talked to the dealer via phone today and he said that they laser weld the seams so they are truly seamless and the ICC is really a "Lifetime" pipe. Downside is cost at $190 for the same telescoping section. Im really leaning to the ICC, mostly because it just looks better, well that, and a fireman friend of mine said that he's seen the Selkirk DSP split open in a flue fire . Is the ICC a better product and worth the added cost? I plan on upgrading my flue to it tomorrow if it is.