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  1. scottinkn Member

    joined: Oct 12, 2008
    47 posts
    Monson, MA
    Hello,

    I needed to clean my flue & boiler tubes, and as I was mindlessly brushing the tubes, I wondered if there were any things that I could do to improve my boilers efficiency, when I hook up my tank, later on this week.

    SO

    Assuming well seasoned & dry wood :

    1 - Wood size - what would my optimum wood size be? would real small be better? 2x4 size?

    2 - Tubes - my boiler tubes go straight up & out the flue & no damper (just barometric damper)
    Could I space a thick baffle plate (divide chamber) over the tubes to slow down flue gas or recirc somehow?
    (I noticed that the tubes at the 4 corners clog with ash)

    3 - Pressurize it - remove barometric damper and add 2nd combustion fan for more air.

    Any Suggestions?
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  2. BoilerMan Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 16, 2012
    982 posts
    Northern Maine
    Forgive me, but what kind of boiler is that? A conventional boiler with firetubes?

    I had a NewYorker and welded in a baffel and secondary stailess air tubes. My stack temps lowered but it still smoked a lot. Your setup is not lacking for surface area as the NY was so I'd saw some kind of seconadry air above the fire and preheated as well. You need to burn the volitile gasses (smoke) to really improve a wood burning appliance's efficiency.

    TS
  3. scottinkn Member

    joined: Oct 12, 2008
    47 posts
    Monson, MA
    I have a New Yorker WC 130. So if I could recirc some flue gas it would be good?
  4. BoilerMan Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 16, 2012
    982 posts
    Northern Maine
    Are those pics of the WC? Mine looked nothing like that. Just a water-jacked box design.

    TS
  5. Hansson Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jul 2, 2008
    372 posts
    Sweden,Leksand
    Whats the flu gas temp?
    Maybe u can try to make turbulators for the tubes.
    U can make them of corrugated iron plates.

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  6. jebatty Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 1, 2008
    3,573 posts
    Northern MN
    Regular brushing of the tubes would help - estimate an efficiency increase of 2-3% for each 100F drop in flue temperature. I brush the tubes in my boiler about 2 x month. Turbulators also would help, likely a 2-3% increase in efficiency.
  7. scottinkn Member

    joined: Oct 12, 2008
    47 posts
    Monson, MA
    I don't have flue temp gauge, I just ordered one.

    Turbulators - if they just slow/mix the flue gas , I could probably just hang some chains in the tubes...
    (Since I will be cleaning the tubes more frequently.)
  8. Nofossil Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 4, 2007
    3,279 posts
    Addison County, Vermont
    One avenue to pursue is the ideal fire. Should be hot with plenty of air so that it's burning 'flat out' with lots of flames and virtually no smoke.

    Big logs smoldering for long periods of time is not what you want, but wood that's too small with too much surface area will need more air than your inlet can supply. There's a happy medium in there somewhere. Once you have a good coal bed, you can add a couple pieces at a time and get decent results. Visible smoke is a clue that you're not at the optimum operating point.

    It's an art more than a science.
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  9. scottinkn Member

    joined: Oct 12, 2008
    47 posts
    Monson, MA
    Thanks Nofossil! I like that idea! It is the simple things that make a big difference....
  10. maple1 Minister of Fire

    joined: Sep 15, 2011
    1,955 posts
    Nova Scotia
    If you just ordered a new flue temp guage, be aware of the difference in readings between a magnetic type & a probe type. I've got both side by side & the magnetic always reads 100c less than the probe, at full burn. If you've got hot stack temps, I'd try some chains in the tubes as mentioned - that would be the easiest. And also as mentioned, burning procedures play a big part. Reducing idling time is key - which may require more frequent smaller fires. Whenever the damper is closed, efficiency goes south in a hurry - and the dirty increases. Unfortunately though, there is only so much efficiency to be gained in an appliance that has water cooling a fire almost directly through the steel that separates them.
  11. scottinkn Member

    joined: Oct 12, 2008
    47 posts
    Monson, MA
    I ordered probe type, I guess that will be the first step to see where I can make gains with this.

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