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  1. awoodman New Member

    joined: Dec 4, 2008
    165 posts
    K.C. Missouri
    As far as house fire goes the furniture and carpet got to be bad also.
    The walls in my house are 8'' thick foam with sheet rock over it. And the 30X30 room add-on is 10'' thick foam with chicken wire and 1'' of stucco.
    If and when the power goes out (or state of emergency)I wouldn't worry to much about what things look like I'd be wanting to conserve wood as much as possible and no glass will ever equal the R's of a wall.

    So I was wondering when I posted this what people up north like Iowa ( I read was -29 with wind chills 40 something below) were doing besides running the heck out of their wood supply.
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  2. precaud Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 20, 2006
    2,272 posts
    Sunny New Mexico
    jeeper: please send me a check so I can afford something less cheesy looking but equally effective as the foam board insulators. Oh... after I close the drapes you have no idea they're even there.
  3. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny

    Don't let 'em bother you.
    Like I said, my window sills are 18" deep and I was considering setting a bale of straw in each window.
    The only problem there is that the chickens would jump up on them and scratch them apart so I'd have another mess in the house. :lol:
  4. precaud Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 20, 2006
    2,272 posts
    Sunny New Mexico
    Oh, it's no bother... it's natural for someone who spends top bucks solving a problem to get preachy about it. I've done the same thing.

    18" window sills - mine are about the same. Must mean you have massive masonry walls, yes?
  5. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny

    Yeah. Great insulating value too. :lol:
  6. jebatty Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 1, 2008
    3,599 posts
    Northern MN
    We solved our window problem beginning in 1992 when we started replacement with effective quad pane windows: glass on out and in, and two plastic films panes between the glass, gas filled. These windows are warm to the touch inside even when it is -40F outside and howling winds. We have about 27' of glass facing out on the lake side of our house (plus lots of windows on the other three sides), no drafts, no frost, no condensation, no matter what the weather outside. Two windows over the kitchen sink, hot, steamy water in the sink, no condensation on the windows. Also no shades or window coverings -- let their be light and warmth.
  7. awoodman New Member

    joined: Dec 4, 2008
    165 posts
    K.C. Missouri
    Kenny like to see some pics. of you're straw bale house. Did you do the post and beam methood on a slab foundation?
  8. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny

    No straw house here brother.
  9. awoodman New Member

    joined: Dec 4, 2008
    165 posts
    K.C. Missouri
    Must have misinterpreted something. :eek:hh:
  10. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny
    Well since this thread started, I've been beating the "I don't like curtains" wife and yesterday she finally brought home ten yards of insul-bright. It's polyester fibers needlepunched through mylar. Today she'll find some material she likes and this weekend, she sews and I'll hang. She paid $5.99/yard for the insul-bright and knowing we'll need more, I found a store on-line where I can get more at $4.25/yard.
    The windows measure 29"x56" but these are set in a stone wall which angles in for more light admittance. If I measure this additional wall thickness which is uninsulated, each window comes out to about 29.5 sq.ft. of surface area. Multiply by the thirteen windows set this way and we're getting close to 400 sq. ft.!
    I'm excited about how much this may help.
    Thanks for the inspiration everyone.
    Ken
  11. Wet1 Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 27, 2008
    2,528 posts
    USA
    Kenny,

    How thick is this "insul-bright"? Any idea on R value?



    I love the idea of sticking foam in the windows, but I'd never hear the end of it if I did this... :)
  12. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny


    It doesn't mention an R-value and is only about an 1/8" thick.
    It came with a free oven mitt pattern if that means anything.
    I can't tear it either.
    It's when I threatened the foam in the windows that she started admiring various curtains. %-P
  13. karri0n New Member

    joined: Nov 18, 2008
    1,148 posts
    Eastern CT
    My idea is a hybrid of the foam board and clear plastic to keep the light. Cut the foam to fit tight, cut a few holes through the foam, smaller than windows but nice looking, paint the foam to match/complement the walls/curtains, and use shrink wrap or even cheaper 3-6 mil plastic sheeting. The wife told me previously that if she's warm, she won't even care what it looks like, but I still would prefer this to the trashy look of pink/blue foam board.
  14. SE Iowa New Member

    joined: Jan 17, 2008
    212 posts
    SE Iowa
    Jebatty
    I do not exactly understand your install. Did you use 2 sets of windows for each opening? Did you place one window on the outside of the house and one window on the inside of the house or isthis some sort of custom set-up?
  15. DBoon Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 14, 2009
    620 posts
    Central NY
    I had no idea there would be so much hatred about foam inserts in windows....pretty funny. You can dress them up and they will look fine. I wouldn't want to look at pink foamboard either. They will save you serious amounts of money if made right (i.e. fit tight). In the winter, for 14 hours a day, they will take an R-1 or R-2 drafty old window to an R-10 non-draft old window. I could do the math on payback, etc., but I won't bother. I do know that when I finally did have the $7000 to upgrade to new windows, it provided the same comfort level without the work of putting the panels in every evening and taking them out every morning, and finding a place to store them when they were out. But I probably only paid $150 for the panels whereas the windows cost me $7000.

    Yes, there are smoke hazards if your house is burning. If I had no smoke alarms in my house, or had kids that slept on the opposite side of a 5000 square foot McMansion, I'd be worried about it. But frankly, if your house is burning so badly that already the window coverings are on fire, it may already be too late for you to make that great escape anyways.
  16. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny
    Don't need to worry about smoke from a fire in my house, we have plenty of draft! :lol:
  17. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny
    Well we got held up. Seems the stitcher needed to go in for a tune-up.
    Maybe this weekend. Maybe not, it's hitting 50 degrees!!

    Ponder with Kenny- It's cool to put a wood stove in a yurt but putting a piece of foam board in a window is dangerous. :question:
  18. steam man Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 19, 2008
    652 posts
    Northern Maine
  19. RedRanger New Member

    joined: Nov 19, 2007
    1,428 posts
    British Columbia
    Not too many days here with frost. So, my solution is to just stay under the covers till the sun gets around to heating the place up somewhat. If not, then when I feel like it,, downstairs and light up the insert..

    I know, I know=lazy,lazy. But I don`t care. :coolcheese:
  20. Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle Minister of Fire

    joined: May 27, 2008
    4,022 posts
    Ridge, LI, NY
    That's a rhetorical question, correct?

    ;-)

    Foam on windows is yucky, yucky, yucky, yucky !!! Especially the ones that peeps can see :roll:

    You guys just don't get it ...craptastic will always look craptastic.

    Oy yi yi ..makes you all clean stalls ...now there's some heat %-P
  21. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny

    If that's the best a man can do, is he less of a man?
  22. Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle Minister of Fire

    joined: May 27, 2008
    4,022 posts
    Ridge, LI, NY
    NO.

    And not less of a woman.

    I'm just saying that sometimes ya gotta shell out the dough, to get it done right.

    Trust me, I have experience in this :-S
  23. Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle Minister of Fire

    joined: May 27, 2008
    4,022 posts
    Ridge, LI, NY
    They both say "feed me" :)

    And I am not a "fashionista", that's for sure.
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