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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by snowmizer, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. snowmizer

    snowmizer Member

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    Hi, we have had our lopi liberty for about 15 years now. Its been a good stove and puts out alot of heat. Was wondering if there is anything out there that puts out the same heat with longer burn times?

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  2. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    You ain't gonna find it. That bad boy burned right with good dry wood is as good as it gets. Tell us about your wood that you burn. If you are burning softwood shorter burn times are a fact of wood burning life.
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  3. snowmizer

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    Burning fir and maple. Ya it is a great stove, just didnt know what was out there today. The stove has been rock solid. I have burned 90 cord thru her.
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  4. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    That's quite a testimony. With good maintenance, she's probably good for another 90.
  5. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR Minister of Fire

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    How many hours of usable heat are you getting out of the Liberty?
  6. rijim

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    I would look at the Lopi CapeCod or the Woodstock Progress great heat output and efficiency. When maxing out the heat you may not see a big different in burn times but should use less wood.
  7. wkpoor

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    Even with the best efficiency, at some point it will boil down to fire box size and amount of you can load into it.
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  8. begreen

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    It will take quite a while to make up the efficiency difference in wood saved. This is not an old smoke dragon and... the Liberty is paid for.
  9. wkpoor

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    The OP was asking for long burn times and good heat output. Asking for alot of heat takes CAT stoves a little bit out of the equation. Assuming most EPA stoves are pretty much on pare with each other it will boil down to capacity.
  10. snowmizer

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    I get 8 hrs with doug fir. Is there any difference with a new liberty and one made 15-20 years ago? The thing i like about this stove is if you want big heat fast this thing can do that real good. I burn 6-7 cord a year for a 1800 ft home.
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    Maybe its the fuel but 6-7 cords seems like alot for 1800 square. I'm 3-4 heating 2800 square in yrs past. I've only burned about 1 cord so far this year.
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    That's what I thought too. Is your house drafty or uninsulated?
  13. snowmizer

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    We keep it around 72-75 and we burn almost non stop from end of september to end of april.
  14. begreen

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    That is a boatload of fir for Western WA. In the same climate, with 2000 sq ft of an old farmhouse with too many windows, we use about 2.5 cords of fir to keep about the same temps in the living room where the stove is located. Are you talking full cords or face cords?
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    full cords. loose stacked.
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    Tis a lot of wood. I suspect the best money spent right now would be to have a home energy audit performed.
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    It might be worth an email to Lopi to see if they have made significant changes.
    If your house is reasonably insulated and draft proof, what type of stovetop and stack temps are you running?
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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned going to a cat stove (Blaze King, Woodstock, Kuma, etc.) . Cat stoves are where its at for longer burn times. With the longer burn times and less opening and closing doors, reloading and the inefficient burning that follows for the next 30 minutes or so, cat stoves will burn less wood too. A Chinook 30 Blaze King would be my top pick for you as it has a 6 inch flue....

    http://www.blazeking.com/EN/wood-chinook.html
  19. lopiliberty

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    How many air tubes does your old liberty have. The old ones had one I think. Does yours have a bypass damper. After having the liberty for 3 years it is my opinion that there is no stove out there that would beat it expect for maybe a blaze king. This incinerator keeps my house between 85 and 90 and the temp is never below 80 after an overnight burn. In fact its 22 outside and a toasty 86 in here
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    Though my Liberty throws good heat my Mansfield throws more and throws it for a longer time partly due to my pipe damper and excessive draft.
  21. snowmizer

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    It has 3 baffle tubes and it has a baffle bypass. It runs around 350-500 pipe temp. But will run hotter if i let it. Is the fan setup lopi sells worth it?
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    Here's the problem with this:
    1. The OP is running a 3.1 cu ft steel stove that throws a lot of heat.
    2. A cat stove will only get super long burn times when it is run at lower temps.
    3. The Chinook is smaller than the Liberty.
    4. Only the BK King will provide enough power to be run at kind of lower temps while also giving the user 12+ hours of heat.
    5. The larger Kuma also requires an 8" flue.
    At 1,800 sq ft and burning 6-7 cord and reloading every 8 hours, the heat retention in the OP's home has to be rather poor.
  23. lopiliberty

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    Basically the same stove then, I would just keep it. Wouldn't get rid of my liberty unless putting in a blaze king
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    Same for the harman ,Even run at its lowest air setting my harman will keep the 20x20 room its in 95 deg even while blowing the heat away with a high speed fan while the rest of that level is 85 .I dont even start this stove unless its 30 or below outside. Puts out too much heat. Cant run i at all in shoulder season.
  25. blwncrewchief

    blwncrewchief Burning Hunk

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    Absolutely agree. 6-7 cords of dug fir is a heck of allot of btu's, especially with 1,800 sq. ft. I would be looking at the house long before I was worrying about the stove.

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