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Mouth stays shut--think it is correct in this situation?

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by RedRanger, Apr 10, 2009.

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  1. RedRanger

    RedRanger New Member

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    Both of my wood suppliers are totally decent and honest people. But me thinks still haven`t learned how to burn properly themselves. Been dealing with them for more than 10 years now and they have both seen my woodsheds and rows of wood stacked out to dry-and so they know that I only burn wood that is at least 18 months seasoned.

    But here is the story--this spring they bring me my csd and are proud of themselves because they say "look at this stuff? it`s ready to burn right now".. And they Believe it!! Thing is--it isn`t anywhere near ready to burn. One of them even sold me a cord of Arbutus for the same price as a cord of softwood. And yes, it was a steal. But only because I know it won`t be ready to burn until 2011.


    Anyway, all of this stuff measures anywhere from 30% up to 40% moisture content. Not ready to burn at all.!! But they think it is. And let me say, they are not trying to be dishonest or fool me, they acutally think it is "ready to go".

    Only reason I even considered pointing out the obvious, is because sometimes they deliver to widows, single mom`s , and or people with not much money and are trying to stay warm with (cheap wood heat). But I said Nothing, and the next paragraph explains why--

    I only know that my 2 suppliers are really good to deal with-- sometimes hardwood for the same price as softwood. I don`t know their customers? And I have come to the conclusion that the customer should educate themselves, and I should not bother to aleinate my suppliers/specially for the "possible" benefit of their customers-most of which I will never meet.

    If people are dumb enough to burn green wood, that is their problem--not mine. I don`t know them, will probably never meet them, but my suppliers I see at least twice a year. And just because they are as ignorant as their customers, is no reason for me to open my mouth and possibly "piss them off".. Think I am just gonna keep the good thing going?

    Agree//Disagree??

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  2. Jack Straw

    Jack Straw Minister of Fire

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    I don't think they are gonna listen to you. I know a lot of people who don't dry their wood properly, been doing that for years, and I know they won't believe me if I tell them how to dry their wood properly.
  3. SolarAndWood

    SolarAndWood Minister of Fire

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    Where do you stand on socialized medicine?
  4. daveswoodhauler

    daveswoodhauler Minister of Fire

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    I'm with Jack....they aint going to listen to you.
    Most folks are set in their ways, and wont change.
    I'd bite my tounge too....but I'd keep it shut.
  5. RedRanger

    RedRanger New Member

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    Socialized Medicine keeps me vertical.. Slightly higher priority than keeping warm?

    Keep trolling and you will be in the can with the rest of the worms :coolsmirk:
  6. Vic99

    Vic99 Minister of Fire

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    You are doing the right thing, I think. Ideally you'd tell them, they'd get more heat, pollute less, and have less of a chance of a chimney fire . . . . but let the good times roll with the good relationship.
  7. SolarAndWood

    SolarAndWood Minister of Fire

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    lol, I can't even get my friends to burn dry wood and they all put a high priority on keeping warm. Maybe, it needs to be gift wrapped.
  8. RedRanger

    RedRanger New Member

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    If I could gift wrap socialized medicine and send it to you?? I would.. Unfortunately, not even Barrack can get that done. Take care, and glad you had a sense of humour bout my dry reply :)
  9. hoot gibson

    hoot gibson New Member

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    my son started burning firewood in his new home this last winter . telling me it was hard to get the fire going . he said he was buying seasond wood . because of the ash scare i am not allowed to take him some wood , so im going to his place to cut it for him this spring , i walked him down to my wood pile and showed him what a cord of good seasoned wood looked like so he would know next time he bought some . he just shook his head and said he should have come to me first , the last load he bought was suposed to be a half cord , he said he thinks he was shorted . the man delivered it in the back of a dodge durango s u v . i think he lerned his lesson . seasond for some and not seasoned for others . h
  10. Heem

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    show them your moisture meter next time they are out, maybe even give them a couple nice dry splits to burn at home next winter.
  11. CowboyAndy

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    My father in law has been burning for 30 years, and even he doesnt believe that his wood isnt seasoned enough... even when it sizzles, he thinks thats normal because "thats how hes always done it"
  12. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

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    Educating someone to a new concept (i.e. going by moisture content to figure out whether the wood is truly seasoned) when they've been doing something "that way" all of their lives and perhaps they learned "that way" from their own fathers can be a very, very slow process.

    With my friends and family I simply set an example and tell them why I am doing what I do . . . even if it may fly in the face of what they've always done . . . and if they ask more questions I simply tell them that the modern woodstoves burn far less wood with less pollution, but they require much dryer (i.e. well seasoned) wood. Eventually, some of them might come around to my way of thinking . . . if they do . . . bully for them, their wood burning and the environment . . . and if they don't . . . well not everyone has to agree with me . . . and besides I need a few folks out there burning green wood, not maintaining their chimneys and having chimney fires to justify my job! ;) :)
  13. karri0n

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    It just seems to me that even in a smoke dragon people would stand to gain a LOT using good dry wood... I mean other than the "green wood burns longer" thing... Not really, green wood "takes longer to burn", not "burns longer" there IS a difference here.
  14. myzamboni

    myzamboni Minister of Fire

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    RedRanger,

    You've heard of 'don't bite the hand that feeds you"? It applies here. Let them go on their way. You know what you are getting and that is what counts. For all the other customers 'buyer beware' is their issue not yours.
  15. JustWood

    JustWood Minister of Fire

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    Mum's the word sonshine! :coolsmile:
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    billb3 Minister of Fire

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    How do you want that steak cooked ?
  17. Wood Duck

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    I think I might have said something along the lines of "Well, I think it will burn better after a year or two of seasoning" and let it go after that. If the guy has been burning a while and thinks he knows what he's doing, you'll never convince him otherwise, but I couldn't resist trying.
  18. EatenByLimestone

    EatenByLimestone Minister of Fire

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    Most of the people he delivers to probably put a few rounds in the fireplace when company is over. By the time they finish with a face cord it's probably dry.

    Those who burn full time are probably keeping an eye on their chimney. I hope...

    Matt
  19. DBoon

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    I thought CowboyAndy's post was my post with a different avatar....

    My father-in-law has also been burning for 30 years, and he believes you cut in the summer and burn in the fall. I recently talked him into buying a new EPA stove to replace his piece of junk Taiwan-made Scandia stove the leaked air and smoke. His conclusion - it doesn't put out as much heat, and clogs the stovepipe with creosote more. He also told me that he read the manual and it says in there that if you are burning at 250 degrees as measured on the stovetop, you are burning the wood gases (I checked, the manual doesn't say that).

    Oh, and my father-in-law has a Masters in Forestry from Yale University.

    So, there is no re-educating those who already know everything. With my father-in-law, I'm just finding different reasons to get his wood cut and split earlier in the season so it has more time to dry, and maybe, if I'm lucky, I'll be able to get so much done he gets a year ahead.
  20. ssupercoolss

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    my one buddy who has been burning wood "forever", seasons his wood for 3-6 months in a big old pile uncovered. sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut whether you like it or not.
  21. Ducati996

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    Well assuming your mositure meter is working correctly, your guys need a education fast. Basically they are selling the greenest of wood. I get those readings from freshly drop trees, logged and split in the same day...
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