So, currently I don't know anyone with a truck. A guy I work with got rid of his this spring. I am thinking about buying something under $3k. I've always had vans before because pick-ups seemed to have a lot of wasted space, and I needed covered space. As an experiment, I rented a 3/4 ton van this weekend to retrieve a couple of loads of black locust. She was squatting pretty good on the load in the pix. I thought it went pretty well...as long as I stayed on the driveway. On the second load I had to unstick the rear wheels from the mud. PITA. I definitely feel like I could get more into the van, and loading wasn't too bad, even with green locust in 6 to 8' lengths. Not sitting as high a 4x4 pick-up is very convenient. Now, vans are definitely unsexy, and cramped up front. And finding a decent, used, 4x4 van is nearly impossible. Pick-up would carry less, but is a bit more versatile. Van engines are a PITA to work on. I guess I'm thinking out loud here and answering my own question. Pros and cons, anyone? Does anyone have any experience with 4x4 vans? If I could find in a reasonable amount of time, I might prefer that over the pick-up, but I haven't seen one in three months of watching CL here in Maine. I could go to Boston and look, but it's two hours and a headache.