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  1. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

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    I've got them . . . or more specifically the house and cats. Applying Frontline to the cats . . . vacuuming the house daily and doing a ton of laundry.

    Any other suggestions on how to deal with them or rather get rid of them (the time for making deals is over ;) ) . . . my wife is going bonkers with them as they seem to be flourishing despite our best attempts. Bombed one room and when she went in three of them jumped her . . . or rather jumped on her . . . well maybe I was right the first time -- they might have been holding a knife or pistol.

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  2. wingsfan

    wingsfan Feeling the Heat

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    Bombing just one room wont do it. You need to bomb the whole house. they could have eggs all over the place. When we had them the whole house bombing worked for us. Also keep the animals in frontline at all times.
  3. ironpony

    ironpony Minister of Fire

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    when we had them a couple of years ago, we used a spray from TSC which kills the egg I think, there is only one phase of thier life cycle you can kill them.
    this along with vacuuming everday did the trick
  4. DAKSY

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    Don't just vacuum your house with an empty bag on your machine. Grab a couple of dog or cat flea collars & put one or two in the vacuum cleaner bag. It will help to kill any that are sucked up & will kill the eggs as well.
    I've had good luck with the RAID flea foggers/bombs that are sold at local supermarkets. You hafta close the house up tight & remove the people, pets & plants for an hour or so, but that's a minor inconvenience compared to dealing with them nasty little bastiges. We deal with them almost EVERY fall/winter as the cold weather chases them onto the pets. Frontline works well around here, but I can't get my daughter (dog) & GF (cat) to stick to a regular application schedule...
  5. BrotherBart

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    All I can offer is condolences. We got hit last July and it took forever to get rid of them. I threw everything in the world at them and probably made this place a candidate for a Superfund site. I guess the Frontline was a major player in stopping them. It is a year round treatment around here from now on. I have been sitting on the proverbial pins and needles this year.
  6. Delta-T

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    very large sub woofer...about 2000 watts of amplifier and some Jaco Pastoius or Victor Wooten albums.....45minutes to an hour later and they all shaken to pieces....I think.
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  7. Backwoods Savage

    Backwoods Savage Minister of Fire

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  8. Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle

    Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle Minister of Fire

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    Mule Team Borax.
  9. jeff_t

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    We went the Orkin route. Found one about two weeks later, and he came back and sprayed again. Thirty day guarantee, I think, and the guy said it started over when he came back. Been religious with Frontline, year round, and haven't seen any since. I don't remember the exact cost, but it was well worth it to us.
  10. mithesaint

    mithesaint Feeling the Heat

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    Hang in there. NOTHING is going to make them go away right away. Fleas have 4 life stages. Egg, larva, pupae and adult. The adults are the only stage that you can see, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. The pupae are almost impossible to kill, so just resign yourself to the fact that they're gonna be around for awhile. Make sure to keep the dogs and cats on flea meds all year round, and don't skimp on the cheap stuff. Frontline works fine. You might try something called Revolution for the cats. It's never a bad idea to change up to a different med in case some of the fleas aren't killed by the Frontline, and the Revolution is pretty potent stuff.

    Area treatments like sprays have limited efficacy, but they probably won't hurt anything. Bombs don't work that well.

    Fleas are a lot easier to prevent than they are to eradicate.
  11. StihlHead

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    It can take a while to erradicate a full blown infestation of certain types of fleas. It may also take a lot of work cleaning, washing, spraying, vacuuming, and repeated efforts. Persistance pays off. Never surrender, never yeild, and never give into the fleas, or they will drive you insane. I tend to get them bad here in February through April, but it varies from year to year.

    As you have done, spot-on treat the cats with Frontline or Advantage. I have used both, they both work fairly well. I have tried a lot of others and they do not seem to work as well. If you have a REALLY bad infestation you may want to treat the cats every 3 weeks (that's what my vet recommened to me last year). They both will kill fleas, flea larvae and flea eggs. This time of year I can go 5 weeks between treatments for my cat, unless we are exposed to them somehow.

    Keep yourselves from bringing home even more fleas. When they are bad around here, they are at the stores too, especially places like Home Depot where people tend to take their dogs (I do not know why they allow people to bring their flea infested dogs to those places, but they do). Note that a minority of people are actually allergic to flea bites, and many people are covered with them and do not even know it. I spray myself with Off with DEET before going to town when fleas are bad here in the spring, and I carry a can of it in the truck in case I am hit by them at a store or public place. Visits by friends can also bring them into the house, especially if they have untreated dogs with them, or flea infested pets at home.

    Someone here mentioned Borax, and that kills fleas. I use a few TB of Borax in every load of laundry, and that will kill any fleas that are on your clothes. It works, and it is pretty cheap for the results that you get. Vacuum everything and spray the bags with flea spray.

    Bomb the entire house, and use a bug bomb made specifically for fleas that has Precur in it. That is a growth regulator that prevents imature fleas from developing into adults. I also use Hartz yard and kennel spray that I mix in a floral sprayer and I spray the outside areas of the house, like the patios, deck and especially the door mats. That stuff lkills all stages of fleas, including the eggs. It is strong stuff, and you need to avoid the areas that are sprayed until it dries. I also use a flea spray called Enforcer Flea Spray for the home and I spray it on the stripped matress, furnature and corners of the rooms where fleas tend to hide. That stuff kills all stages of fleas and their eggs, which you have to kill in order to prevent a future infestation.

    Basically you have to completely nuke the little bastaids. Its total war, and I have to do all the above to keep them in check if I get an infestation here. When I bought this house it was completely infested with fleas, as the previous owners had a micro-mutt and it had a lot of carpets. Fleas can go and remain dormant for years, and they will wake up when they feel vibrations. Then they hop around looking for a host to feed on. I bombed the house with industrial strength bug spray, but that only worked on the fleas for about a year. I thought that my cat was brining fleas into the house, but it was the dormant fleas in the house the first year, along with the infested mice that were getting in from the yard. Then it was me that brought them home this year from shopping at a big box store that was riddled with them. I was getting bitten so much I left the store and complained to the manager on the way out. I sprayed with DEET in the parking lot and I washed my clothes as soon as I got home and showered, but that was not enough. I left a trail of the evil creatures wherever I was that day, and it took me a few weeks to erradicate them. I avoid PetCo like the plague. That place is always infested with fleas. I get most all my flea stuff online, as it is a lot cheaper than at PetCo and the like, and the mailwoman does not have fleas. ;)

    There are also a wide variety of fleas out there, some 2,000 types in all? The most common (and somewhat tolerable) are cat fleas. They are a nuisence but they are controllable. There are other types that I call 'nuclear fleas.' Get a few of them on you and within a week they are driving you mad with bites that itch like mad. Likely they are a type of human flea (there are several). Most flea species are rather selective as to what species they like to dine on, but they will all pretty much bite any warm blodded animal that they come in contact with to see if they like the buffet. My yard seems to be full of deer fleas in late summer when they come around to dine on my gardens. I put up deer fences last year around my berries and so far they have avoided my yard this year. For some reason I do not get tick bites. Fortunate for me, my ex was a tick magnet and we would walk in the woods and we would have to do a full body check of her when we got back to the house. I never had one on me that I was aware of, but usually she would have 3 or 4 crawling around on her or starting to dig in for dinner.

    Good luck with your war. Never give up, never surrender... never become dinner.
  12. semipro

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  13. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

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    Thanks for the tips folks . . . glad to see I'm not alone in having to wage this war.

    I think we may be gaining some ground already since treating the cats . . . that and the daily vacuuming and laundry . . . I've seen fewer fleas . . . although last night one of our cats had several hopping off her . . . those met an untimely death . . . drowning actually in the toilet.

    As someone said, my vet suggested treating the cats every 3 weeks or so . . . for some reason I thought Frontline lasted a lot longer. Needless to say, I will be going back in a few weeks.

    My wife also has treated the carpets and bedding . . . and we've closed off some areas after dosing the area. Limiting the cats to rooms that don't have thicker pile carpeting and restricting them mostly to the areas with vinyl, hardwood, cement, etc. I think may be helping as well.

    I'm going to run this thread off though and share some of the other tips with my wife tonight.
  14. SmokeyTheBear

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    There is a horse wormer that is absolute death to fleas and a lot of other parasites however its use for other things would be off label and not exactly legal without a vets prescription.

    It is a systemic actor and absorbed through the skin and gets all stages of the life cycle of fleas its effective action time is a couple of months.

    It gets used for far more than worming horses.
  15. StihlHead

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    You have to be very careful with crossing flea meds between species of animals. For example, dog treatments commonly have stuff in them that are very toxic to cats (permethrin, for example, which is synthetic pyrethrin). If the OP did not have cats, I would suggest pyrethrin sprays. When I lived in California the fleas were terrible, even living w/o cats or dogs. They even had roads there named after them like, "Avaneda de las Pulgas" which translates to: Avenue of the Fleas. I used a timed pyrethrin spray system in my studio apartment there that I got from a locker room in a gym that closed down. It was that bad on the beach in San Diego. The SF Bay Area was not much better. In California it was also year round. Here in the PNW at least the flea problem is seasonal, and mainly in the late winter/early spring.
  16. woodsman23

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    dump the cats....
  17. joel95ex

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    you can bomb all you want with pesticides but the eggs and larvae will survive and fleas return in a month or two. you MUST use a growth inhibitor such as nylar which is in martins IG you can just mix it in a tank sprayer with or without demon insecticide(for quick knockdown) and it will END your flea problem----and treat the animals. the total cost of a demon envelope and nylar should be about 20 bucks----same stuff the exterminator uses and you can get it at nurseries. feed stores, etc. Dont waste time or money on anything else especially a professional service contract.----when we lived in the country, we had few freezes and the fleas would simply get tracked in and multiplied almost instantly, i got the insect growth regulator, and some demon WP, totalling about 20 bucks and put a super light mist on carpet (at previous house) and then treated perimeter and entryway areas. continue vacuuming etc. but flea problems are easier to solve than most people think if you treat the animals, vacuum a lot, use an insect growth inhibitor like Nylar, and some demon WP.
  18. joel95ex

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    here is what you need: check your local farm/ranch store, feed store, tractor supply, nursery/garden supply----lowe's and home depot do not carry it, some ace hardware have it

    http://store.doyourownpestcontrol.com/martin-s-igr-insect-growth-regulator

    and here is the demon wp ...it is about 12 bucks

    http://www.tractorsupply.com/demon-reg-wp-insecticide-in-water-soluble-packets-4-pk--4202654

    be sure to read labels closely..... this worked for me and several friends......BTW Texas fleas are straight from hell
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  19. Highbeam

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    You need some good chemicals. Not the stuff from home depot, the stuff from online pest control chemical places like Joel linked you to. You will find that the real chemicals are often cheaper than the junk from home depot. Same stuff pros use only you are sometimes limited in volulme you can buy.
  20. Locust Post

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    As someone already mentioned Mule team borax. We had a round with them last year or maybe it was the year before. Sprinkle borax liberally all over the floors and leave it for the day (don't worry about the animals no need to contain them in another room). Vacuum that evening if that doesn't do it give it another round.
  21. semipro

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    Some other, less toxic (at least to humans and cats) treatments are described here in case you're interested.
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/127776-organic-rid-fleas/
    Boric acid is mentioned. Its the active ingredient in Borax, something that someone else mentioned.
    And yeah, some of this stuff is available at Home Depot.
  22. begreen

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    It's reasonable to be moderately concerned about fleas. They are disease vectors. This fellow didn't think too much about it till they found out he had the plague. Warning, the pic in this article is graphic.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/162820406.html
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  23. homebrewz

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    Try a product called "Flea Busters". I ordered it through Amazon. I am not at all affiliated with the company, my vet recommended it. Without looking at the container, I believe its orthoboric acid. You sweep it into the floor, rug, upholstery, etc and just leave it. It kills all parts of the life cycle, whereas a lot of products just kill the adult fleas.
  24. StihlHead

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    Egads... Prineville? That is like WAY TOO F*ing CLOSE TO MY HOME!
  25. mithesaint

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    You might reconsider closing off parts of the house. The vacuuming and area treatments help, but there are still likely flea eggs in those areas. Now that the cats are being treated, they are walking flea traps. Let them go into the rooms, they will stimulate the fleas to finish the life-cycle, and the fleas will jump on the cats and be killed by the Frontline. Otherwise, you'll probably still have issues. They shouldn't be shedding too many more eggs. Let the cats pick up the fleas, otherwise the fleas will choose to eat you instead, and I'm guessing you didn't put any Frontline on yourself...:)

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