to further Hijack the OP's thread ...... just got a shipping notice for My Sugihara bar . It's 24" .050 , 84DL . Can't wait to use it ,the 28"ES bar is nice ,but nose heavy . Wanted to get the 28" ES light bar ,but it was too costly ,and SmokinJ said only wussses use them ! So, I put the $$ saved towards getting the 346 ported . It's in the box now ,on it's way to Tennessee .