Stihl saws vs Ethanol. From the horse's (dealer's) mouth

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Kenster

Minister of Fire
Jan 10, 2010
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Texas- West of Houston
A friend of mine is a Stihl dealer in Dallas. I asked him what his thoughts, personal as well as Stihl policy, regarding fuel octanes in Stihl chainsaws as well as ethanol.

He said he highly recommends no octane below 89 and to never use any blend with more than 10% Ethanol. He passed on the usual warnings about using only fresh gasoline (no more than two months old) and if the saw will sit unused for a lengthy period of time to drain the saw and to run it dry!! Meaning, let it run, idling, until it dies of fuel starvation. He said that ethanol can absorb water over time. He also recommended buying the best oil you can get and said that Stihl Ultra synthetic is what he puts in all his saws.

He also sent this official Stihl service bulletin:

E10 Ethanol Fuel Guidelines
Contents
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Gasoline Containing 10% Ethanol
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Guidelines for Using E10 Gasoline
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Summary
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Gasoline Containing 10% Ethanol
Many areas of the country now have mandates in effect for oxygenated gasoline and are introducing gasoline that contains 10% ethanol, sometimes referred to as “E10 gasolineâ€. Users of STIHL power equipment are becoming concerned that these fuels will damage their equipment’s engine. With a minor amount of care and a little preventative maintenance, gasoline containing 10% ethanol can be used in STIHL power equipment. Oxygenated and E10 gasoline is designed to burn cleaner and reduce air pollutants. These fuels have been available in regional areas of the country for many years and are becoming more common throughout the United States.
2. Guidelines for Using E10 Gasoline
If the proper precautions are taken, gasoline containing a 10% quantity of ethanol should not generally cause a problem in STIHL products. The following simple precautions will help to avoid major engine damage when using today’s 10% ethanol blended gasoline in STIHL power equipment engines.
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Make sure the carburetor is adjusted properly for the fuel that is being used. Oxygenated gasoline and gasoline containing ethanol has a tendency to “lean out†the carburetor mixture when compared to non-oxygenated fuels. A slight carburetor adjustment may be needed.
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Use a good quality oil designed for use in air-cooled mix lubricated engines. All STIHL mix oils readily mix with gasoline containing 10% ethanol. STIHL HP Ultra fully synthetic mix oil is especially suitable for use with E10 gasoline.
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Keep your fuel fresh. Only buy enough gasoline that you can easily use up in a two-month time period.
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Shake your gas can well, not only when first mixing the oil, but also every time before you fill up your equipment. This is a good habit to get into and will help keep the oil well dispersed in the fuel.
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Properly store your equipment. If your equipment is not going to be used for 60 days or more, the remaining gasoline that is in the machine should be drained from the tank and properly disposed
DLR 2006-02 E10 Ethanol Fuel Guidelines Page 1 of 2
of. This will ensure that you will not have fuel going stale in the tank and gathering moisture.
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Water or condensation in a fuel storage can or the machine’s fuel tank can cause ethanol to separate from the gasoline/oil mix. If this occurs, the ethanol will settle to the bottom of the tank and will have little or no lubrication mixed with it. Using this separated mixture will cause overheating, engine running problems, piston seizures, or other major engine damage. It is important to keep a fresh mixture and to avoid getting water in the gasoline. If this occurs, the fuel should not be used and properly disposed of. Engine damage caused by water/moisture and separation of ethanol from the fuel/oil mixture is not covered by STIHL’s Limited Warranty Policy.
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Equipment should be checked over periodically by a STIHL dealer. Items such as fuel filters, tank lines, carburetor diaphragms, and spark plugs should be checked and replaced if necessary as part of a normal engine tune-up.
3. Summary
There are quite a few myths surrounding ethanol containing fuels. By following the guidelines previously mentioned, you can use gasoline that contains 10% ethanol in STIHL power equipment.
Gasoline containing higher than 10% ethanol content (e.g. 85% ethanol-E85) cannot be used in STIHL power equipment. Doing so will cause major engine damage and is not covered by STIHL’s Limited Warranty Policy.
 
Hi -

The term 'Gasoline' itself is a bit gray. There is no reason to believe that 'Gas' you buy in Dallas in the Summer is remotely similar to the stuff being pumped in Canada in the Winter.

Add alcohol in amounts abot 10% and co-solvents are needed to keep it in solution. These co-solvents may be even less friendly to our older 2 cycle and recreational equipment.

I used to have fuel samples tested once in a while on a previous job. It was not comforting to know what was being pumped...

I store them dry. I leave them wet for a couple weeks without worry on newer saws.
 
I've taken to running aviation gasoline (purchased at the local small airport) in my saw- it's not cheap but it seems to start and run far better than with regular automotive fuel. Apparently it not only never contains alcohol, but is all-around a far higher quality fuel. The fellow at the airport says I am far from alone in using avgas for a chainsaw.
 
Great info Kenster..thanx...always good getting info directly from the source.
 
Lucas and Stabil both offer ethanol treatment products to combat its effects. How well it works i dont know but both are reputable companies with proven products.
 
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