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Surge protector

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by reg1952, Apr 19, 2013.

  1. reg1952

    reg1952 Member

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    Last week during an ice storm I was hit with a power surge.It was so large it took out my surge protector on my house electrical panel, killed the power supply on my computer and burned the controll board for my Enviro Maxx..My computor had a surge protector on it and it got past that one as well.I didnt have one on the stove but I have one now.I just need to order a new board.$325.00, $150.00 to fixi computer,$400.00 for house panel surge protector,$100.00 for 3 new surge protectors for all the other things plus 13% tax.There goes all the saving for the year by installing the pellet stove.Now I am back to heating with oil because its still cold here in Ontario.NOT HAPPY

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  2. briansol

    briansol Minister of Fire

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    ouch!
    do any of those surge protectors have an equipment guarantee? I know mine has a $100,000 connected guarantee.
  3. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Home owners insurance should cover things?
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    TriMom New Member

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    What brand/model do folks recommend for Surge Protector?

    I bought one with 10K warranty and need a second one for other pellet stove.
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    ivanhoe Feeling the Heat

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    i wonder how difficult it would be to collect on a claim from those surge protector companies?
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    Lake Girl Minister of Fire

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    Sorry you got hit so bad - could be worse, they had a tornado in Shelburne, ON (north of Toronto) :( . As to house insurance, depends on the deductable. Keep your receipts from these surge protectors.
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    > I was hit with a power surge.It was so large it took out
    > my surge protector on my house electrical panel, killed
    > the power supply on my computer and burned the
    > controll board for my Enviro Maxx..My computor had a
    > surge protector on it and it got past that one as well.

    Well, now you may be ready to learn what protectors really do. "got past that one as well" says knowledge comes from advertising; not from how protection works.

    View numbers on that computer adjacent protector. It will block or absorb a surge? View its spec numbers. How does a transient of hundreds of thousands of joules get stopped by an expensive device only rated at hundreds or a thousand joules?

    Everyone who recommended those protectors (ie Tripplite) is invited to post the spec number that claims any such protection. A scam is easy to promote. It is called a surge protector. The proves it will protect from all destructive transients? Of course not. But the spin works with anyone who fails to demand, at minimum, spec numbers.

    Good luck on its warranty. A protector adjacent to electronics does not claim protection from typically destructive transients..

    No protector does protection. An effective protector connects low impedance (ie 'less than 3 meters') to what does protection. One who wants protection worries less about the protector. And worries most about what does protection. Single point earth ground. Where do hundreds of thousand of joules harmlessly dissipate? In earth. But only if a protector connects low impedance to protection. (ie 'less than three meters' and other critically important facts ignored by retail salesmen or advertising.)
  9. briansol

    briansol Minister of Fire

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    While i'd never have to attempt it, if my house just 'blew up' you're dang right i'd be filling out forms.

    500k should cover my stove :)

    but then there's this fine print:

    how the heck can you prove that?
  10. westom

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    Step one. Post each manufacturer spec number that defined capabilities.

    "deemed outside the rated capabilities of the Product". What are its capabilities? What exactly does its specifications say? An answer must include numbers. Previous question was, " Where do hundreds of thousand of joules harmlessly dissipate?"
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    Only good way I know is a lot of lighting rods to earth and an isolation transformer before the box. Even then some can still get past. Still have vivid memories of equipment blowing off the wall shelves in sequence when a bolt hit the building. Arc'd right past everything. Burn lines etched everywhere. Left a smoking, smoldering mess in it's wake.

    Had a customer, new unit, blow 2 power supply boards a day apart about the same time of day each time. Research led to the power company switching grids at that time of day causing well over a 600v swing when one grid shut down and the other brought on line. Only found it after installing a line recording unit, A $300 tripplite ( 1980's ) unit didn't help it got fried also. Cost that company a lot of dollars to install huge isolation transformer and other equipment as they were just converting to cnc equipment at the time. That one went to court never heard what the out come was though.
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  13. westom

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    A protector adjacent to the stove either blocks or absorbs a surge. Question was, " Where do hundreds of thousand of joules harmlessly dissipate?" Where is any spec number that claims protection from typically destructive surges?
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    Typically they can not stop a direct hit or even reasonably close bye hit, not much will, just arcs past it. Small surges on the line and transient spikes are what they are for. In the case of a home all three lines should be protected by the unit, earth- neutral- hot. Earth - neutral is where the biggest problem lies, likely accounts for more than 2/3 of circuit board problems in today's appliances. Most of the in-expensive units sold do not cover this. Been a long time since I chased this cat around the block. The triplites in the mid price on up the line used to, do not know where they are at now. My dealer cost some 25+ years ago was around $350.00 ea. Takes more than cheap little ceramic capacitor across the lines to solve.
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    Routine is to have a direct strike without damage. Or is your town without phone service for four days after every storm?

    Telcos connect their $multi-million computer to wires all over town. Will suffer about 100 surges with each storm. And no damage. Telcos do not waste money on more expensive protectors adjacent to electronics. Instead telcos spend less money on a completely different device - also called a protector - that makes irrelevant surges including lightning.

    Asked was, "Where is any spec number that claims protection from typically destructive surges?" That meant small surges were defined with a number. Small surges (ie hundreds of joules) are made irrelevant by protection already inside every appliance. Sometimes at surge too small to damage appliances may damage that adjacent protector. Then myths about 'protection is not possible' get promoted only by wild speculation. Undersizing a protector creates speculation such as, "My protector sacrificed itself to save my TV". Properly sized protectors do not fail. But again, " Where do hundreds of thousand of joules harmlessly dissipate?" Numbers that explain why telcos and munitions dumps suffer direct lightning strikes without damage.
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    Hi:
    Check with your power company, they might offer a surge protector. I had Duke install one on my meter & added the cost to the bill.It took a year to pay for it. I left my surge protector that I orginally installed on my pellet stove.
    A friend of mine had his printer & thermostat blown out by a thunder storm. Just some info that might help.
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    Beware when you see the word "Guaranteed". These funny boxes we use are just mind candy. If you get hit with the big one, you loose. Perhaps homeowners insurance will help mitigate the situation. I don't think Triplite or APC is really in the "insurance business", do you? Those "random" events would be enough to put them under. Nice marketing ploy, though. Think about it....

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