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Thank the Deity we are in global warming!

Post in 'The Green Room' started by theonlyzarathu, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. theonlyzarathu

    theonlyzarathu Member

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    Up here Downeast(on the coast near Ellworth, Maine) the temperatures have been the next months temps all during the fall and into the winter. Right now we are having historical temperatures that are typical of the third week in December not the fourth week in November.

    Just imagine what kind of temps it would be if we didn't have Global Warming.

    Stove runs nice, but I've been working hard to make semi portable R-8 shutters for the windows. Hopefully by january when we have temperatures more like Caribou than the coast, I'll have all my shutters up and done.

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  2. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Ya think your neck of the woods is the center of the planet for climate? Think locally, but act globally.
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    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    God doesn't like Maine. ;lol
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  4. theonlyzarathu

    theonlyzarathu Member

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    Its the center of MY CLIMATE WORLD! ;) I always thought it was the other way around: Think globally, but act locally---which makes more sense, since I don't live globally.
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  5. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    I was riffing on old saying as another way of saying that from a climate perspective the local weather doesn't mean a whole lot. Good idea to work on the shutters. Let us know how they work out. Pics are always welcome.
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  6. woodgeek

    woodgeek Minister of Fire

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    the Deity has nothing to do with it.....this is the Goddess' work.
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    She's sleeping with Father Time.
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    I worked outside in a tee shirt friday. Maine is just freaking cold.
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    Seasoned Oak Minister of Fire

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    Just the opposite here ,next week 50s and sunny during the day. were running last months temps all fall.
  10. semipro

    semipro Minister of Fire

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    You're always going to have temp extremes.
    The impact of Global Warming Its that now there are many more high ones than low ones (on average).
  11. theonlyzarathu

    theonlyzarathu Member

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    Not where I live. And in fact, world temnperatures have not risen in the past 12 years. ONE hasto be careful that one is not reading the models instead of the data.
  12. WhitePine

    WhitePine Feeling the Heat

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    World ocean temperatures are the most important indicator, since they have a major impact on global weather patterns. They have in fact risen during that period.

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    The graph is from the US EPA. Feel free to criticize the source. :ZZZ
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    velvetfoot Minister of Fire

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    I heard America's Next Top Model came from just north of here.
  14. semipro

    semipro Minister of Fire

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    One can pick out relatively short time periods in historical records that show global cooling. This misrepresents the long term trends though that definitely show a warming trend when all the short term trends, whether warming or cooling, are connected together.
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    That graph demonstrates the point that you need to look at data and not the model. Look at what the graph actually displays. It is implied that the temperatures are being shown and that they have dipped but then risen. Wait now, the graph actually shows "temperature anomoly" over time. Who knows what that is but I can guarantee, it helps push an agenda better than showing the actual temperatures. If the temps did that much of a dip then they would be on the graph.

    Also, who the heck was accurately measuring average world temperatures of the oceans in 1880? For crying out loud, does anyone know what was happening in 1880? We didn't even have commercial electricity until after 1880, 1882 was the first power plant.
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  16. WhitePine

    WhitePine Feeling the Heat

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    Ship's navigators, voyaging scientists, and explorers, who recorded and logged sea temperatures well before 1880. One of them is on the US $100 bill. Science has been around for a long time.
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    So some guy dipping his toe in the water saying, "whew, that's cold"? I imagine there may have been some sort of crude mercury thermometer back then but we're getting all excited about 0.5 degrees F which is reasonable accuracy with today's common tools.
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    WhitePine Feeling the Heat

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    Not crude at all. Mercury thermometers are pretty easy to calibrate and have been around since 1714. All you need is boiling water (at sea level) and a bucket of ice water. Ships routinely measured ocean temperatures with mercury thermometers by hauling up a bucket of seawater and taking its temperature. Ocean temperatures were a major navigational tool at one time. They are still relevant today.

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    Compare the accuracy of that digital gauge measuring to the hundredth with some pirate trying to read a really really old fashioned mercury thermometer with his one non-patched eye. Also the pirate was coming from or going somewhere on purpose and while he was at it, measured temperature for the sake of navigation. Not a good average temperature representative of the world's oceans. These days we measure all over the place to get a global average on purpose. How can you get a useful comparison from that very different data?

    I still doubt the technology from the 1880s was even sufficient to determine much of anything other than relative temps, as in, it is getting warmer as we head towards the tropics where we will take over a shipment of curry powder, har har har.
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    How anyone could seriously deny that it's actually happening is completely beyond me. It's undeniably happening. The facts are clear and irrefutable. Some of the most obvious evidence includes the loss of polar ice, the receding of glaciers, the rise in sea level, the gradual shifting of animals' habitat, and on and on. We are living in a period of warming, and it is threatening a bunch of things that are important to us (ask Pacific Islanders and folks living along coasts worldwide). The politicization of it is disgusting and non-productive. Are we the cause? Dunno. Does it matter? No. Is there anything we can do to mitigate it? Dunno...might be way too late in a lot of ways. Is it worth trying? Well, I'd say it is. Rick

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    What's the shutter design like?
    R8 is very nice.

    Gary
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    We have discussed this one to death in the can. A bunch of climate deniers cheery picked one very warm year and compared it to 2010 to make that false claim.
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    Deny it all you want. Merchant and naval ships kept detailed records of their observations of all types. These were later transcribed and recorded at various institutes of learning in all the countries that could be considered advanced in those days. This information was invaluable and essential for the expansion of commerce and empires.

    Science is capable of correlating old and new data, including compensating for known errors in the old data. We progress because of science, despite the vigorous attempts of those who deny science in the name of politics, religion, profit, and ignorance .
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    TradEddie Minister of Fire

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    Those pirates could find their way across thousands of miles of empty ocean, and back home, with not a GPS to be seen, measuring temperature accurately would be easy in comparisson. Nobody's life depends on the accuracy of that digital gauge, unlike the navigational tools on a ship.

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    I'd say it does matter, because if we do have a hand in it, we can cease and desist and thereby mitigate the effects.

    Ehouse
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