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The Ideal Steel in black

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by begreen, Nov 22, 2013.

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  1. BrowningBAR

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    I always enjoy Hog's honesty.
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  2. aansorge

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    It looks like a stove version of this...

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    ...and the jeep is a classic. If I had a man cave this stove would be in there. It is the opposite of the ornate Fireview.
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    The stove is not out yet and Woodstock is super responsive to ideas and suggestions. I think the cleaner, simpler they make the basic stove, the better it will sell. The bottom line is going to be cost vs performance.
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    Love the funnel flue collar. Looks like a mistake before it was even released. It's too bad, why must the thing look weird at all. Is "basic" really so hard to understand?
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    There was a heat sink around the flue collar on the mockups for added efficiency. If that is still there it would explain the funnel flue collar.
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    And I, on the other hand, am thinking about moving the BK and putting this thing in the living room.;lol;lol
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    Just call it as I see it. And I seen it pretty good from behind the railing they had set up.
    I was fortunate to be at the competition.
    Many fine looking stoves, some not so fine looking.
    Some not too realistic for true home heating, other were.
    I likes the Ideal Steel itself and even the leg set up wasn't so bad., but those side panels with the slots and the circle shat etc, too much for me.

    There was a mix of humble and some ego going on that I observed. But hey, you'll have that anywhere.
    Personally, the European stuff was very nice and fascinating, but the one I liked most was the double chamber stove, but it was way to small for anything but taking the chill of in a room.
    I was particular put off by one contestant that I asked simple questions, and he acted like I was trying to steal his secret formula. News flash bud, don't bank on selling many of those things.
    Under other circumstances, he would have gotten a much different reaction.
    Matter of fact, while BB and I were standing there, we were told we had to leave while he loaded his stove, or loaner stove I should say.
    Not talking about the great guy with the Smart Stove set up either, He was cool and very informative of his product.
    A couple tings I did notice, it the stoves were kept burning along by throwing a couple small splits in at a time. I would have liked to see some of those puppies loaded up.
    To each their own, but $2k for that thing, not outa my wallet.
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    Same. I don't care how much heat a stove gives off with a few splits. I need to know what it does loaded full.

    Understood. I feel the same about the PE steel free standing stoves. They look like a damn microwave build in 1984.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Progress. But, if the Steel can give me 20 hours of usable heat for $1500, That sure as hell beats the $3,400 for a BK. Especially since I need two.
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    I think the starting price is $2k, I could be wrong.
    Englander had their new stove there(not running).
    It is a mid size model, but they will be making the new model in a 3cf firebox size also.
    It will also have the auto adjusting air feature also.
    The glass on the mid sized they had there seemed huge! Big viewing area.
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    I don't think you are wrong. I would just prefer BeGreen's price to be right. It would make decision making easier.

    Anything new with the Englander's or will they be standard non-cat steel stoves?
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    Just the new smart model that cuts the air back and adds air automatically. I seem to remember the guy saying you can set a preference point also.
    I asked about any cats in the future, and that does not look like it will be happening.
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    The stoves were tested with 12# of wood per cubic foot of capacity. The EPA only uses 7#. In the case of the Ideal Steel that would have been about 40# of wood.
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    In two days time I never saw that stove with anywhere near 40 pounds of that oak in it. Or the Oakwood either.
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    I didn't get to see the big stoves tested. I think they started with them, maybe on Fri. or Sat.?
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    Didn't figure a cat would be in Englander's future anymore, but I was hoping for a new burn system that kind of ran like the PE stoves. Some of those stoves have some impressive burn times for what they are.
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    The new stoves have 3 burn tubes instead of 4. The baffle system also tapers down from front to back. There are also a few holes drilled into the sides of the channels that supply the burn tubes to add additional secondaries direct from the channels.
    And there are two courses of firebrick on the walls and back. Much higher than what we are used to.
    I guess they are hinting to load the damn thing full!

    I will have to be real careful loading my 30 up when I ever get it hooked up.
    I really do like and am spoiled by the stainless baffle in the Summit.
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    Way ahead of them!
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    Yes. I think the space in which any specific stove is installed makes a huge difference on the perception of "good looking". Here's a view of the 1st floor where IMHO that stove would fit right in.
    New Hardwood Floor 3.jpg
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    I have about two weeks to go and can't wait. Wish I would have settled on the PH earlier but hindsight is 20/20!
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    Not all want basic. Is some design to make it look nicer so hard to understand?
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    I'd like to see Woodstock team up with the original VC team now that they are back in charge and put a cast iron jacket on this stove. That could reduce clearances and dress it up quite nicely.
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    As for the price of the Woodstock stove, that is yet to be determined. An approximate has been given but not set for certain. In addition, for those who don't like the designs on the sides or top, I doubt that Woodstock would have any problems dealing with that. And for those who want intricate designs, they will do it but there could be some additional costs involved.
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    One has to keep in mind that cast is more expensive than steel. The exhaust will be cast and it will be rear or top exhaust. I agree, it could be interesting if they could join up with the original team. As for clearances, I think they will be very low but too early to talk about that yet.
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    I've yet to see anything on the outside of this stove I would describe as "nicer". Remember, I own a BK and know an ugly stove when I see one.
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