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This is the first time I have seen this on craigslist.

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by Gasifier, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. Gasifier

    Gasifier Minister of Fire

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    I was searching craigslist today and stumbled on to this.

    If it says a cord if wood for 50$

    Then you can win in court for false advertising:

    you can take them to court for false advertising:

    Bureau of Weights and Measures

    Consumer Alert


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    How to Avoid Getting BURNED When Buying Firewood
    Whether you use it to heat your home or just to burn it occasionally in your fireplace, you should be a smart shopper when you purchase firewood.

    What Is A Cord?
    Firewood is generally sold by a measurement called a "cord." A cord is equal 128 cubic feet. For example, a stack four feet wide by four feet high by eight feet long is a cord.

    You may also see wood advertised by a "face cord" with the length of the pieces. A 24 inch face cord is 24 inches wide by four feet high by eight feet long.

    In New York, all firewood sales and advertising must include the three dimensions of the wood, that is length, width, and height, with the wood ranked and well stowed.
    Stacking A Cord For Measurement

    To be sure you have a cord, stack the wood neatly by placing the wood in a line or a row, with individual pieces touching and parallel to each other, making sure that the wood is compact and has as few gaps as possible. Then measure the stack. If the width times the height times the length equals 128 cubic feet, you have a cord of firewood.

    Be aware that each time you restack a pile, the dimensions will change a little because of the differing air spaces between pieces.

    What About Other Claims in Advertising
    Hardwood - Hardwoods like maple, oak and cherry will provide more heat energy and burn longer that softwood species. Wood from conifers (pines), aspen, poplar, basswood, butternut, willow, and grey or paper birch may not be advertised as hardwood.

    Seasoning or Drying - Seasoned or dry firewood has many benefits over green or freshly cut firewood. Dry wood greatly reduces the potential of insect pest nuisances, is easier to light, and reduces creosote build-up in chimneys. If the advertisement represents the wood as "seasoned", the length of time and the manner of seasoning must be specified.

    Get What You Pay For - Get It In Writing
    When you buy firewood make sure to get a receipt! Every seller of firewood must provide a receipt for every delivery of loose firewood. The receipt must show the following:

    Name and address of the seller
    Date of sale
    Quantity and dimensions of the wood (when ranked and well stowed)
    The price
    It's also a good idea to get the phone number. If you found the dealer by some advertisement, keep a copy of the ad with your receipt. If the wood is delivered, get the license number of the delivery vehicle.

    Tell Tale Signs of a Rip-Off!
    Reputable dealers will gladly give a receipt. If your dealer avoids giving a receipt, expect to get cheated.

    You can't haul a cord of wood in a standard pickup truck. A cord is four by four by eight feet and is a lot of wood. A pickup would need to be loaded over four feet high with wood. Most standard pickups can't safely carry the weight of a full cord.

    In addition, the wood is generally not ranked and well stowed when loaded on the truck. It will typically lose another 15-20% when properly stacked. This applies equally to dump trucks. Random stacking significantly increases the size of air spaces between pieces and is one of the primary ways that firewood customers are cheated.

    How to Protect Yourself
    When the wood is delivered, ask the seller to stack it as described above (you may have to pay extra for this service) or stack the wood yourself. Measure the wood before using any. If the cubic measurement indicates that you did not receive the correct volume, contact the seller before you burn any wood.

    What To Do If You Think You've Been Short-Changed?
    If the seller can't or won't correct the problem, contact your local weights and measures office before you burn any wood. It is also helpful to document the possible shortage by taking a picture of the stacked wood. Local offices can be located in the government section of your telephone directory or by writing or calling the:


    NYS Department of Agriculture and Markets
    Bureau of Weights and Measures
    10B Airline Drive
    Albany, New York 12235-0001
    (518) 457-3146
    agmweigh@agriculture.ny.gov

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  2. Machria

    Machria Minister of Fire

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    That should be pinned at the TOP of Craigs list!
  3. Woody Stover

    Woody Stover Minister of Fire

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    Huh?

    "...must be fabricated." ;lol
  4. NH_Wood

    NH_Wood Minister of Fire

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    I wouldn't have included the birches with the list of poor burning (low BTU) woods. Would I pay top dollar for a cord of paper birch - no - but it's not a cord of willow for certain! Cheers!
  5. Jon1270

    Jon1270 Minister of Fire

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    It's too bad that Craigslist routinely removes ads like that.
  6. Butcher

    Butcher Minister of Fire

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    I dont have to buy wood but I hate to see anyone get ripped off on a deal. BUT. I think that part of that statement reads true in any state.
  7. infinitymike

    infinitymike Minister of Fire

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    Thats great stuff and would be great for a reputable firewood dealer to post with his add. i bet he'd get more business.
  8. Applesister

    Applesister Minister of Fire

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    Gasifier Thank You so much for posting this!!
    I was told years ago to report to Weights and Measures Bureau. I wrote down the contact info. And I intend to contact them and thank them. This is a double edged sword however.
    I firmly stand by the firewood industry remaining unregulated. NYS has enacted several laws and burning regulations. Including firewood transporting regulations. It is only prudent to make yourself aware of the soundness of practice but I fear whats behind the eventual control of burning wood altogether. I can seriously see Insurance companies lobbying for the complete ban of fireplaces and furnaces and outdoor boilers.
    Heating with wood should always stands alongside ones right to bear arms. And I can see idiots on Craigslist ruining it for everyone.
  9. infinitymike

    infinitymike Minister of Fire

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    Amen to that! That's how it all starts. It's starts out real slow and keeps creeping along until before you know it we are smothered by bureuacacy, laws and regulations.
    One problem is each law in and of themselves is good and benifecial but when combined with all the others they end up stripping us of everything.
  10. Gasifier

    Gasifier Minister of Fire

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    I agree with you in part on this. But, I can also see wood burners ruining it for everyone, before the guys selling something on craigslist, who are just trying to make a buck, but are making a buck in a different way then you and I. Those wood burners are people who burn wood that is way, way too wet. Burning old technology in combination with not burning correctly(dry), or even "new" technology and horendously green wood. A buyer has some responsibility to make sure what he/she buys is what they want. Just like the seller should have some responsibility to selling what he/she says they are selling.

    +1 Heating with wood should always stands alongside ones right to bear arms.

    If a well-off guy can heat a large, say 5,000 sq.ft. house with oil or natural gas and uses that amount of resources and puts that amount of pollution out. How can you tell a guy who heats his small, say 1500 sq.ft. house, that is well insulated, with dry wood, that he can not do that any longer?

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