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  1. woodgeek Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 27, 2008
    1,421 posts
    SE PA
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  2. DAKSY Super Moderator

    Well, seems to me this Phd (or whatever he is) has no idea, or
    has totally ignored the fact that the humans on this planet have
    developed newer, cleaner burning solid-fuel stoves & fireplaces
    that DO NOT introduce copius amounts of noxious particles into
    the atmosphere...Just sayin...
  3. Lumber-Jack Minister of Fire

    Someone please explain to me how it is possible that when releasing smoke into the atmosphere 70% of it will be forced back indoors into buildings, while only 30% of it is able to actually escape into the atmosphere.
  4. Mrs. Krabappel Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 31, 2010
    1,311 posts
    Blue Ridge Mountains NC
    I am very fond of Sam Harris, so I will take up his defense to say this; he aims this is recreational smokers, and he's accurate in that sense. Burning wood in your fireplace is not the wholesome activity folks like to think it is, and people are overly fond of their fireplaces. Also, without knowing the data I would venture to say that most wood stove owners do not burn epa stoves or seasoned wood. Not in my 'holler anyway, where many folks heat with wood.
  5. firebroad Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    1,028 posts
    Carroll County, MD
    That one boggled me as well. Seems to go against the laws of physics.
  6. Weird tolkienish figure Member

    joined: Jan 15, 2012
    171 posts
    Ma
  7. woodgeek Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 27, 2008
    1,421 posts
    SE PA
    I knew it was just a matter of time before hitler got mentioned.
  8. firefighterjake Minister of Fire

    joined: Jul 22, 2008
    13,473 posts
    Unity/Bangor, Maine
    I think my secondaries look like a portal to Hell . . . does this mean I am having a religious experience with my woodstove? ;)
  9. firebroad Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    1,028 posts
    Carroll County, MD
    As a matter of fact, I DO use the flames to facilitate a state of meditation...
  10. stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 14, 2006
    4,503 posts
    madison hgts. va
    is this guy serious?

    if it wasnt for the sad fact that many readers will actually accept this as"gospel" (note religion in title).

    maybe "O" can use this in his re-election campaign "clinging to their guns , woodstoves, and religion"
  11. potter Feeling the Heat

    joined: Aug 8, 2008
    307 posts
    western NY
    Another fan of Sam Harris. His intent is not really to talk wood stoves, but to illustrate his point. Which as someone who never ceases to be amazed at people's lack of critical thinking and self awareness about the big hoodoo voodoo in the sky, did give me some brief insight into believers gut level reaction to inconvenient facts. And as has been said, I see a lot of smoke rolling out of houses as I drive down the road, people scrounging and cutting wood to burn this winter, etc. No one on this site, I'm sure. But very little smoke from my own (at start up) and I save at least 1500$ a year, so more economics than romance.
    I'm skeptical about a number of his assertions regarding wood stoves, but highly recommend his "Letter to a Christian Nation". And he's equal opportunity critic, no friend of radical Muslims.
    I imagine much damage to people's health happens in the third world from burning, both from smoke in dwellings, and cities.
  12. begreen Super Moderator

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    36,118 posts
    South Puget Sound, WA
    It definitely happens here. A neighbor put in a new, stuck on the end of the house fireplace last year. The smoke billowing out of his proud new creation is ridiculous. Maybe he's a Wiccan?
  13. firebroad Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    1,028 posts
    Carroll County, MD
    We Wiccans use EPA approved woodstoves. Unless it is an open fire deep in the woods, then you will see billowing smoke, as well as a few dancing booties...
  14. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,941 posts
    Northern Virginia
    It is just a fact that even the best wood burners emit more particulate emissions than oil or gas burners. It is silly to try to deny it.
  15. stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 14, 2006
    4,503 posts
    madison hgts. va
    gas or oil will have a lower particulate emmission rate thats true, but 70% of exhaust from chimneys end up in neighbor's homes? i'd sure like to have audited that study
  16. Singed Eyebrows New Member

    joined: Jan 22, 2009
    1,420 posts
    Midwest
    I though I was burning wood to keep my ass from freezing, who knew? That I was just engaging in an unnecessary leisure activity. In America everyone can afford NG, propane, oil... This must be the America where you skip down the yellow brick road whistling & picking 100 dollar bills off trees, Randy
  17. Backwoods Savage Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 14, 2007
    24,158 posts
    Michigan
    The article is just one more that gives only part of the facts and twists some of those that are given. Sounds like one of the doom and gloom guys. Dang, I didn't know it was a religious act to burn wood either...
  18. StuckInTheMuck Member

    joined: Dec 6, 2011
    110 posts
    Hampton, NH.. For now.
    "the sight of a glowing hearth should be about as comforting as the sight of a diesel engine idling in your living room." Man, if I could only figure out how to have a diesel engine idling in my living room, I could toss out the TV..... or at least not watch it as much.
  19. CTYank Combustion Analyzer

    joined: Sep 28, 2010
    901 posts
    SW CT
    Partly applicable. Just don't lump fireplaces in with stoves. They are still
    much greater point sources of pollution than EPA stoves.
  20. gmule Feeling the Heat

    joined: Feb 9, 2011
    408 posts
    Conifer Colorado
    The dead trees on my lot can either burn in my woodstove or they can burn in a forest fire with the live ones. Which burning method emits more smoke at any given time?

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