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Worth swapping engines on my splitter?

Post in 'The Gear' started by mikefrommaine, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. I've got the northstar 30 ton splitter. It has the honda 160cc gx engine. Works fine except the cycle time could be better.

    I have a briggs and scrap'em 205cc engine. Picked it up free, just needed the carb cleaned. Runs good though much louder than my honda.

    Looks to be a direct swap -- mounting plate on the splitter even has the holes drilled for the bigger engine. Question is will I see much of an increase in speed?

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  2. 6mmbrer

    6mmbrer New Member

    Jan 22, 2013
    Newark, DE
    My .02 is stick with the Honda. I have a Tractor Supply 22 ton with what I think is a chinese briggs and scrapem. It lasted a year before the valves started sticking. It smokes like crazy when started. It's a piece of junk. I'm running it until it dies and then swapping it out for a Honda.

    NE WOOD BURNER Minister of Fire

    Dec 30, 2012
    Awhile back there was a post on a diesel logsplitter. Lots of great information on that thread.
  4. Defiant

    Defiant Vermont Castings Geek

    Dec 5, 2007
    Old Lyme CT
    Put a Honda on my splitter about 10 yrs ago when the B&S died, starts first pull everytime:cool:
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  5. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    Northern Virginia
    At the standard 3600 rpm of small one lungers I don't see how even a Chevy V8 would change cycle time if you keep the same pump.
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  6. MasterMech

    MasterMech Guest

    Unless the Honda is struggling with too big of a pump, you will see zero increase in speed. Pump displacement and RPM determine how fast the machine runs.
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  7. lukem

    lukem Minister of Fire

    Jan 12, 2010
    Don't think you'll see any difference unless the Briggs run higher RPMs (which is most likely doesn't ) or you swap the engine AND put in a higher GPM pump to take advantage of the extra HP.
  8. Backwoods Savage

    Backwoods Savage Minister of Fire

    Feb 14, 2007
    I agree. It is not the engine's fault for the slow cycle time.

    In addition, you can speed things up a lot if you don't use the entire cycle. There is usually no need to let the ram go all the way back up.
  9. I end up using the full cycle a lot because of the 4 way wedge and gnarly pieces of wood I split. And I cut the wood to 24". It's not that bad but faster would have been better :)
    I have 196 cc Honda that I could use as well. But I had planned to use it on a pressure washer (have a spare CAT pump that I picked up)

    This is the pump that is on the splitter - haldex barnes 11gpm

    What got me thinking was that it spec'd 5 hp minimum. And it's also the same one used on the 22Ton model. Which has a smaller cylinder (and faster cycle times)

    So if I can split everything (with the 4-way on) with the current engine there is no advantage to a bigger engine unless I use a different pump?
  10. MasterMech

    MasterMech Guest

    Correct. I see a 16 gpm pump in your future. ;). They aren't terribly expensive either.
  11. Todd 2

    Todd 2 Feeling the Heat

    Sep 17, 2012
    NE Ohio Atwood Lake
    I have the same splitter and would like to upgrade to more gpm's when this one gets tired, the only problem is in 6 yrs now it hasn't slowed down yet. The little 160 gx honda sure runs sweet and quiet though.
  12. It has been a great splitter for me as well. Very reliable and splits anything I put on it, even with the 4 way wedge.

    But I think I might sell it if I can find the right old splitter project (that needs an engine.) One that I can add a log lift to and an out feed table like the Timber Wolf splitters.

    I'm thinking more like 28gpm and 13HP 16hp would be about the right speed ;)
  13. bogydave

    bogydave Minister of Fire

    Dec 4, 2009
    So Cent ALASKA
  14. evamaxx

    evamaxx New Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    glen burnie md
    would the 28 gpm be 1 or 2 stage?
  15. blades

    blades Minister of Fire

    Nov 23, 2008
    WI, Milw
    At 16hp it would have to be 2 stage, otherwise he's going to need that V8 and I am not referencing the vegetable drink. Cycle times are directly related to flow rate. Very likely that all ports are I/2" and 1/2" lines and restricted fittings in between as well as a marginal size sump/tank. Standard commercial build on box store items. Nothing wrong that way. To quote a old tv show" we can rebuild faster stronger ect". Pocket book is limit.

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