Hot Blast 1551E - EPA stove questions......

Kubic40 Posted By Kubic40, Jan 20, 2019 at 7:59 PM

  1. Kubic40

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    Hello everyone.

    Just purchased a Hot Blast 1551E stove.

    Little back round, I have a 30x25 uninulated wooden shop up in Ohio with concrete flooring. I've been burning a hand me down stove from the 1980s, obviously not EPA and no fancy gismos and gadgets to it. Finally got tired of burning crazy amount of wood to get 55 degree temps so upgraded massively even though its not the Cadillac of wood stoves.

    I have a few questions for you guys if anyone knows about these stoves or ones like it(seems to be about 4 brands with the same features and such)

    Let me start.....

    First off this auto draft door sucks, I DO NOT HAVE THE ASH DOOR SPIN DAMPENER. Through testing the actuator doesn't have enough power to open the door when the fire needs to heat back up, so I've manually kept it open but doing so burns my wood faster(temps stay about 350-450 flue wise). Does anyone know of any tricks or hacks to fix this actuator issue or make the door work more smoothly or a manual way to control it other than full off and full on?

    Secondly these two levers I have, the secondary air and rear pilot air levers. I know these are to control the return process but can someone explain them better, the secondary air has a low side and high side but pilot air has a on-off setting with room to play in between. I read the manual about 10times but can't under stand there jargan about these or how to properly use them.

    Plus anyone have any tips or tricks for me with this style stove?

    Other than that I love the stove, keeps coals for 12hrs, doesn't push heat at this point but is nice not to have to restart a fire from scratch. Plus my shop being at 70 instead of 55 is awesome.

    Side note this tripple wall piping cost me a fortune to be up to code good god it's a bit rediculious if you ask me, it's not hard to keep up with cleaning your pipes to prevent a fire.

    Anyways, thank you guys hope to get some help.
     
  2. bholler

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    I know knothing about your stove but preventing chimney fires has very little to do with the requirement to use chimney pipe. That is to prevent a structure fire.
     
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  3. begreen

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    This is a wood furnace. Moving to the boiler room where hopefully a hot blast owner can help out.
     
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  4. brenndatomu

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    Have a link...or a snip of the manual?
    I don't know that I have seen too many people around here that has one of these units yet...you may be a pioneer.
    If the actuator doesn't work right, what's USSC say about it? Will they warranty it?
     
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  5. Kubic40

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    Sir I will get more details today and pictures, from what I've googled for the last day it seems this is a completely new model for them or I'd assume due to complete lack of tech support and forums are blank with info. Called ussc and left a voice mail as they don't seem to know how to "help" them selves after getting transfered to a few people.

    Is it ok to post a link from YouTube on here? If so I'll actually make a video of it all.
     
  6. brenndatomu

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    Go for it
    Sounds a bit like a certain other company that has products of hot topic around here these last 2 winters..."couldn't find their butt with both hands" comes to mind, hope this is not how things turn out here...
     
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  7. Kubic40

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    Ok so here are some pictures.....as a saftey mech to stop a run away fire or overheat situation it works fine, closes no issue what so ever. I guess its better to have it close off than stick wide open if I'm not in the shop while it's running, plus being uninsulated and the size and it being mega drafty(built is 1988) the furnance runs 24/7 as it will never get to temp highest I had it was 71 in there so warm yes, but not at my target 75(ducting hasn't been run yet so its just dumping it staright up).....it's just however annoying to spend $1900 on a stove and proper 3 wall piping to be up to current codes and a nice selling feature not working as it should.


    Also there are the control lever I know nothing about other than there for reburn purposes, this furnance does have the tubes up top to reburn the smoke gasses.
     

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    Wouldn't there be some info about controls in the manual it came with? Should have came with?
     
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  10. Kubic40

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    I get it's for the reburn and such but my question is more on the setting it factor. I've acheiver full reburn before checking the fire it was pretty impressive honestly.

    Like do you need the pilot air on to feed the wood with air or is it strickly for the secondary air to generate reburn...from what I've read the reburn process isn't needed once the fire is burning clean and hot.

    Please be patient with me, this is the first EPA stove I've had my old was just load it, it burns full bore, you add more....nothing fancy or controlled other than a damper plug that was didn't do much open or closed as it was used and abused for 30yrs.
     

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    They make it sound like you need to open them both up at the beginning, then once the fire is established, you start backing them both down equally to lessen the heat output and extend the burn.
    On most modern wood stoves the only adjustment is the primary air...it is what controls the primary fire...the secondary fire burns off the smoke/wood gas made by the incomplete combustion of the primary fire...in many stoves the secondary burn is pretty much done after 2-3 hours, maybe 4. After that the primary air and the "rear air" would more so control the burn rate.

    On most manual stoves (and many "auto" units) the secondary air is wide open all the time...all that ever gets adjusted is the primary air...once the fire is hot, you back the primary air down in small steps every 5-10 minutes...which gives the fire time to recover from its last adjustment.
    Too bad it doesn't have a window in the door...that makes learning a new stove so much easier!
    Seems like you are going to have to experiment to see what works...then report back here with your findings...so others can benefit in the future :cool:
     
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  12. Kubic40

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    Called us stove.....apparently they have a new arm for the servo motor to "fix" the issue, we will see how this goes and report back. I find it hard to believe it will fix anything though as the motor has literally no power
     
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    Sounds like they need to send out a new actuator/motor and the updated arm both!
     
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    Agreed, I'll see if this "arm" has some magical powers.....the main issue with there setup is, they use a double wound spring as a "saftey mech" incase of power outage, ok good to know it's a smart idea well noted, however the spring is entirely wayyyyy to strong being the cast iron door it self has enough weight to over come the magnets in the actual motor it self.

    Could we remove the spring sure, if they again didn't attach the box to the servo in a fashion that it isn't possible to remove them and be able to attach again(hallow metal so can't drill and tap)

    I guess we will see if they actually send it, and to any one looking at the hotblast 1551E they know this a issue with EVERY PRODUCTIOM MODEL THEY HAVE SENT OUT TO STORES, lady flat out told me they learned of the issue after they all shipped and only give out the "fix" to people who call.

    More info to come so if anyone has this issue also they don't have to jump hoops like I am.
     
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    Thank you for this information! I just picked up one myself manufactured in 6/2018 I believe it says but not hooked up yet. I will have to keep this in mind and hopefully they dont give me problems if/when I call down the road!
     

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