Important Pellet Vent Pipe question-please read

[jimmieguns]

Hello All....

So I had a few pellet install estimates today and the one i liked the best said I can use a venting set-up that basically goes straight out the wall thru to outside, finished off with proper ends but NOT turning upward at all; basically straight thru to outside and capped with angle tip.

I thought you MUST go "out and up" about 3 ft after exiting the home. What is the right or proper(if there is a proper) way to do it?

My town code dept is closed Saturday so I cant call them, and the install would take place this Sunday-- need to know from some pros.. THANKS

 

[DexterDay]

What stove are you installing?? Some require a rise. Some don't...

You never mentioned what you were installing in your last thread?? I was gonna ask, but thought someone else would?


So....... What are you putting in???

 

[jimmieguns]

What stove are you installing?? Some require a rise. Some don't...

You never mentioned what you were installing in your last thread?? I was gonna ask, but thought someone else would?


So....... What are you putting in???

Hi , I am installing timber ridge 1500 sq foot pellet model trp 55-10 i believe..........

 

[DexterDay]

If its an Englander, then it MUST have a 3 ft rise.

Thats Manufacturers spec... Not an option. Its a requirement...

Period. . .

 

[jimmieguns]

If its an Englander, then it MUST have a 3 ft rise.

Thats Manufacturers spec... Not an option. Its a requirement...

Period. . .

Yes, it is an Englander........you have one I see- huh? are you happy with yours? not using it? SO I MUST vent up? wonder why?

 

[DexterDay]

Yes, it is an Englander........you have one I see- huh? are you happy with yours? not using it? SO I MUST vent up? wonder why?

Have you read the manual?? Its not an option. It must be done, in order to conform to Englanders install specs.

If its not installed per Manufacturers recommendation, then insurance doesn't have to pay. Period.

If its an Englander, it needs 3 ft of vertical minimum. To be legit.

I have several ENGLANDER products. Love all of them for different reasons.

 

[jimmieguns]

Have you read the manual?? Its not an option. It must be done, in order to conform to Englanders install specs.

If its not installed per Manufacturers recommendation, then insurance doesn't have to pay. Period.

If its an Englander, it needs 3 ft of vertical minimum. To be legit.

I have several ENGLANDER products. Love all of them for different reasons.

Hey thanks so much for replies-- yes read the manual--shows the diagrams of installations-- didnt see Mandatory to go out/up but saw the illustration-- my installer said he does these all the time and in my application- no need to buy a whole out/up kit..anyway, I value your advice more here! thanks again--

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Check out the Selkirk DT up and out install. It pre-heats the burn air! It is the best way to go! No caked ash in the burn pot this way!
See my install pics here!
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/hr-wp-up-and-out-dt-install-with-custom-lighted-hearth.90555/

 

[Lousyweather]

is the "straight out and terminate" installation in the manual (I dont sell Englanders)? If it is, great. I dont think its a good idea to mitigate safety for whatever reason, the worst one being to save $100. Why do they require vertical rise? I dont know....none of us wrote the manual, or did the UL testing. Maybe simply to help evacuate smoke if the power goes out? Thats my GUESS. I do know that any installation exclusive of the ones speciafically mentioned in the manual is techically invalidating the UL listing, regardless of what your installer says.

 

[imacman]

Have you read the manual?? Its not an option. It must be done, in order to conform to Englanders install specs.

If its an Englander, it needs 3 ft of vertical minimum. To be legit.

I have several ENGLANDER products.........

Sorry Dex, but you're wrong on this one.

While I agree that some vertical should be used on all pellet stove installs, Englander does NOT say it's mandatory. From the 25PDVC owners manual:

P. 9 "The through-the-wall installation is the least expensive and simplest installation. In a through-the-wall installation you should be mindful of the snowdrift line, as well as dead grass and leaves. We recommend a three foot (3’) minimum vertical rise on the inside or the outside of the dwelling. "

Under the basement install instructions, "We recommend a minimum of three feet (3’) of vertical pipe with a 90-degree turn away from the house"

 

[jimmieguns]

Sorry Dex, but you're wrong on this one.

While I agree that some vertical should be used on all pellet stove installs, Englander does NOT say it's mandatory. From the 25PDVC owners manual:

P. 9 "The through-the-wall installation is the least expensive and simplest installation. In a through-the-wall installation you should be mindful of the snowdrift line, as well as dead grass and leaves. We recommend a three foot (3’) minimum vertical rise on the inside or the outside of the dwelling. "

Under the basement install instructions, "We recommend a minimum of three feet (3’) of vertical pipe with a 90-degree turn away from the house"

Hi , I saw that too re: basement pic install...thats why i am so confused if the rise is only NECESSARY if coming from basement only---in my case I am NOT...so what would you do?

 

[imacman]

Hi , I saw that too re: basement pic install...thats why i am so confused if the rise is only NECESSARY if coming from basement only---in my case I am NOT...so what would you do?

Even though it's not mandatory, I would ALWAYS recommend at least 3-4' of vertical rise in the system. Better draw on the stove, and helps when power goes out to draw smoke from stove.

 

[DexterDay]

Why would EVERY other Englander deemed necessary?

Thats Hokey IMO.

 

[DexterDay]

Sorry Dex, but you're wrong on this one.

While I agree that some vertical should be used on all pellet stove installs, Englander does NOT say it's mandatory. From the 25PDVC owners manual:

P. 9 "The through-the-wall installation is the least expensive and simplest installation. In a through-the-wall installation you should be mindful of the snowdrift line, as well as dead grass and leaves. We recommend a three foot (3’) minimum vertical rise on the inside or the outside of the dwelling. "

Under the basement install instructions, "We recommend a minimum of three feet (3’) of vertical pipe with a 90-degree turn away from the house"

I disagree. I went back and read it Again, and the "Through the wall" isnt meant to be a Direct Vent, it states in the last sentence, once through the wall", install a clean-out, add 3 ft of vertical, and finish with a 1 ft piece pointing away from the dwelling"

So the through the wall, is still "Out and Up". And there recommended Kit is the AC-3000 (enough for 3-4 ft vert and 1-2 horz sections).

So I think its worded differently, but still needs a required 3 ft rise. Calling Mike Holton

 

[imacman]

I disagree. I went back and read it Again, and the "Through the wall" isnt meant to be a Direct Vent, it states in the last sentence, once through the wall", install a clean-out, add 3 ft of vertical, and finish with a 1 ft piece pointing away from the dwelling".....

You are not correctly quoting the exact wording.....the EXACT quote of the last line on P. 9 is:
" We recommend a three foot (3’) minimum vertical rise on the inside or the outside of the dwelling."

On P.8, what you were referring to is this:
"Once outside the structure, a three-inch (3”) clearance should be maintained to the outside wall and a clean out tee should be placed on the pipe that extends through the wall. We recommend a minimum of three feet (3’) of vertical pipe"

Nowhere do I see the words "mandatory" or "required".

That said, I do NOT think anyone should use a straight out exhaust.

 

[jimmieguns]

You are not correctly quoting the exact wording.....the EXACT quote of the last line on P. 9 is:
" We recommend a three foot (3’) minimum vertical rise on the inside or the outside of the dwelling."

On P.8, what you were referring to is this:
"Once outside the structure, a three-inch (3”) clearance should be maintained to the outside wall and a clean out tee should be placed on the pipe that extends through the wall. We recommend a minimum of three feet (3’) of vertical pipe"

Nowhere do I see the words "mandatory" or "required".

That said, I do NOT think anyone should use a straight out exhaust.

Well- here she is for all to see--sorry i caused a debate on installtion--BUT I think it is evident that the wording and /or pics could have been better written-to an extent anyway

 

[jimmieguns]

What stove are you installing?? Some require a rise. Some don't...

You never mentioned what you were installing in your last thread?? I was gonna ask, but thought someone else would?


So....... What are you putting in???

BTW, here she is--going in tomorrow I hope....

 

[zrtmatos]

Pics of the install or it never happened.

 

[imacman]

Pics of the install or it never happened.

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/burn-baby-burn-up-n-running-here-6-hours.103378/#post-1335280

 

[hossthehermit]

One thing you need to keep in mind at all times, jimmieguns, is that many people on this forum know a lot. Another thing is that what they know is not always correct. Sometimes all it takes to be an authority is a high post count.

 

[Jefflitzy]

Insurance companies in Canada require a 5' rise on all installations. This to help draw the smoke out in a power failure.

 

[jimmieguns]

One thing you need to keep in mind at all times, jimmieguns, is that many people on this forum know a lot. Another thing is that what they know is not always correct. Sometimes all it takes to be an authority is a high post count.

Thank You for the wisdom!

 

[Lousyweather]

One thing you need to keep in mind at all times, jimmieguns, is that many people on this forum know a lot. Another thing is that what they know is not always correct. Sometimes all it takes to be an authority is a high post count.

heh! well, said, Hoss! Check out the Ash Can sometime........

 

[hossthehermit]

heh! well, said, Hoss! Check out the Ash Can sometime........

I used to, frequently. Kinda wore out my welcome there, I guess.

 

[Thaddius Wenderoth]

I used to, frequently. Kinda wore out my welcome there, I guess.

Not to hijack your thread but I guess I have a similar question after reading all the install concerns.

I replaced a wood stove and just used a 90° out of the stove and then 60" straight up in 3" then I bought a 3" to 6" adapter and ran that into my existing through ceiling/roof setup. Does anyone see any issue with this or should I line the 6" with 3" all of the way up?

To clarify I have the same stove 25-PDVC.