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[tjnamtiw]

Here in my area in PA, we are roughly $.07/Kwh. I personally have a time of day meter and pay peak and non-peak rates, during the evening and weekends we pay $.04 at most and during the day we pay the $.07.

Since you are quoting the off-peak and on-peak rates, I would imagine you are not including all the fees, supply charges, and misc. BS that gets tacked on. My 9cents is bottom line > total bill divided by Kwh used. You can't do that with on and off peak setups.

Moey beat me to it!

 

[Flammam]

I'll probably never even get cable/broadband, never mind natural gas.

No street gas, no cable,no DSL, no cell service and I am in a small town in Massachusetts.

 

[heat seeker]

20¢/KWH here, including delivery, etc.

 

[velvetfoot]

I think you should subtract the fixed monthly charges out, since you would incur them no matter how many kwh you use.

 

[heat seeker]

Those charges still figure into the overall cost. Around here they are based on usage, also, so as usage goes up, the so-called "fixed" charges go up. We're getting *****.

 

[velvetfoot]

I'm just saying, take out the charges that aren't dependent on useage. Say, if you used no kwh at all for the month, what would the charge be?

 

[heat seeker]

I understand. Looking at my bill, there are 5 charges, each multiplied by the KWH usage. So, if the usage was zero, I would assume the charges would also be zero.

All of these charges appear to be the product of fee times usage. I see no fixed charges on my bill.

There is a minimum charge for usage, even if I do use zero; I don't know what it is, so I assume there would also be minimum delivery charge.

These charges made up 53.4% of last month's bill, more for delivery than the juice itself. They claim a generation charge of $0.0923.

 

[velvetfoot]

Looking at my bill, I have $15.11 fixed charge. So, my bill for January was 94.63 for 615 kwh. 94.63-15.11=79.52. 79.52/615=.129/kwh.

 

[tjnamtiw]

No street gas, no cable,no DSL, no cell service and I am in a small town in Massachusetts.

Sounds like you are 'Under the Dome'

 

[tjnamtiw]

Looking at my bill, I have $15.11 fixed charge. So, my bill for January was 94.63 for 615 kwh. 94.63-15.11=79.52. 79.52/615=.129/kwh.

That 'fixed charge' is part of your cost per kwh, but it just varies as a % of your unit cost as the volume varies. It HAS to be included. $.154/Kwh is the real cost.

 

[velvetfoot]

That 'fixed charge' is part of your cost per kwh, but it just varies as a % of your unit cost as the volume varies. It HAS to be included. $.154/Kwh is the real cost.

Wrong. My September of 2013 bill where I used 424 kwh had a $15.11 basic service charge as well. It's the same every month no matter what the usage. It's just the way it's done in NY.

My point is, I can be a frugal as all get out, but I'll always have that basic charge so I don't think it should be included when doing these cost savings what-ifs.

 

[tjnamtiw]

Wrong. My September of 2013 bill where I used 424 kwh had a $15.11 basic service charge as well. It's the same every month no matter what the usage. It's just the way it's done in NY.

My point is, I can be a frugal as all get out, but I'll always have that basic charge so I don't think it should be included when doing these cost savings what-ifs.

Wrong! If you want to know what it costs you to use a Kwh of energy, you HAVE to include EVERYTHING you PAY for that energy. If you don't, then you're saying you just p*ss away $15.11 to the gods of electricity for nothing. It's still coming out of your pocket. If you use just one Kwh of energy next month, then your cost per Kwh will be $15.11, no $0.00.

 

[heat seeker]

Looking at my bill, I have $15.11 fixed charge. So, my bill for January was 94.63 for 615 kwh. 94.63-15.11=79.52. 79.52/615=.129/kwh.

My bill was $98 for 497KWH. Your electricity appears to cost less than ours overall.

 

[velvetfoot]

I'm sure that won't last for long.

 

[heat seeker]

Yeah, while they ban the nukes, coal plants, and next the gas plants, we'll be sitting in the dark most nights.

 

[velvetfoot]

Yeah, because demand side management/pricing will have given us the 'proper price signals' to do just that.
Gives you the impression that quality of life isn't improving with passage of time.

 

[tjnamtiw]

Yeah, while they ban the nukes, coal plants, and next the gas plants, we'll be sitting in the dark most nights.

Think 'kerosene'.
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