Killing our planet with plastics

begreen Posted By begreen, Jul 2, 2017 at 11:55 AM

  1. semipro

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  2. Doug MacIVER

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    not much fanfare!https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/10/11/trump-signs-bill-aimed-reducing-sea-pollution/38125451/

    from the Anchorage Daily, $10mil/5 yrs. quote from the article and link.
    "Speaking with reporters after the signing, Sullivan said much of the waste comes from a handful of Asian nations, including China, Vietnam, and the Philippines. The countries lack proper controls, and waste is bulldozed into rivers that carry it to oceans. More than 8 million tons of plastic trash is dumped into oceans globally." pretty convenient ?https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/environment/2018/10/11/bipartisan-bill-to-combat-marine-debris-introduced-by-alaska-lawmakers-praised-by-trump-cleanup-group/
     
  3. Sodbuster

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    The answer will ultimately come from Packaging Engineers, who will make it financially advantageous for companies to make environmental friendly packaging. Better to lead a horse than to prod it.
     
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    Germany started an interesting practice about 25 years ago, in that all manufacturers were made liable to take back all products and packaging they manufacture, disassemble, recycle, or re-use them. It was over the top, and manufacturers truly didn’t know how to handle this (was Mercedes to take back 25 year old cars, disassemble them, and somehow re-use the materials?), but it shows a line of thinking that I like.

    If the costs of managing the waste from packaging were somehow placed back onto manufacturers (or importers) of these products, you would see a revolution in packaging design. Yes, the cost is ultimately passed on to the consumer, but by incentivizing manufacturers to reduce that overall cost (to remain competitive), the overall costs (and waste) would be lowered.
     
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  5. Seasoned Oak

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    Same result as a tax or surcharge or deposit. Levying a tax on Mfg for single use non biodegradable products they produce will quicky lead to that same Mfg finding a way to make it biodegradable or at least easily recycled. The old adage applies:Whenever you tax something you get less of it ,subsidize it, you get more.
     
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  6. Sodbuster

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    I would love to see plastic grocery bags outlawed. We were on vacation last year in the FL Keys, and we were behind a garbage truck that was overloaded, and plastic bags were popping up and blowing all over. You know they'll find the water and stay there for the next 500 years. Nothing wrong with good ol paper.
     
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  7. begreen

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    Germany took a strategic, leadership role in cradle to cradle concept that has dramatically reduced waste in the country. Since 1996 the country has reduced total net waste by 37 million tons. This is a thorough program that had different phases for different industries. It didn't apply to past manufacturing only future production. Manufacturers were given time to tool up. They were required to design with waste avoidance, waste recovery and environmentally compatible disposal in mind. It's been quite successful in segwaying the country to a more circular economy. The seed for this started with the EPEA program between 1987 and 1992 which developed a concept called: “Intelligent Product System” for transforming the linear economy into an economically and environmentally sustainable system of intelligent products.

    "In 1991, Germany adopted its Packaging Ordinance, which requires all manufacturers to collect and then recycle or reuse their packaging after it is disposed of by consumers.

    Making corporations responsible for their packaging to the end of its life cycle encourages them to package goods with fewer materials in order to minimize recycling and disposal costs.

    The Ordinance focuses on improving three categories of packaging:
    • Transport packaging (crates and shipping boxes)
    • Secondary packaging (non-essential boxes, such as around bottles of vitamins)
    • Primary packaging (casings that come in contact with the product, such as toothpaste tubes)"
    The German programs have become a successful model for several other nations.

    https://earth911.com/earth-watch/trash-planet-germany/
     
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    Imagine this being your home where your kids play.
    ocean of plastic.jpg plastic-turtle-manta-ray-ocean-trash-challenge-one-breath-photo.jpg
     
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  9. Doug MacIVER

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    outstanding comments by the folks here, your gov't responds with action directly relating to the thread and ZERO,ZERO COMMENTS? unless I've missed it no other person here has mentioned the bill when it was moving thru? what is up !here this reminds me when webby sold out and nobody saw it? speakin of the webmeister, last seen may 2017, howse he doin?
     
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  10. begreen

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    Stop trying to politicize the thread. One act does not indicate a general trend. There is a long list of industry appointees by the current administration that are completely reversing environmental controls in favor of industry.
     
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    8 years were given to ban plastic bags and it didn't happen, wonder why. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
     
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  12. Doug MacIVER

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    no politics intended here, never mentioned the administration, you did!. I did mention Government. it is a very small move made by unanimous consent without amendments. here a link for those that may be interested. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/756
     
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    It's good to see the funding extended and any small step is welcome. Some big steps would be also.

    PS: Thanks for providing the link to the actual bill. I was too lazy to look it up.
     
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    Obviously, because people want them.

    What US company is dumping plastic in the ocean?
     
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