Lest you thought that whole climate thing was solved already....

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Seasoned Oak

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Oct 17, 2008
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The list is long and one by one each one will end, probably with many negative consequences that could have seen a much better outcome with a little planning and long term thinking. Just my 2c for what its worth, probably just that.
 

WoodyIsGoody

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Jan 16, 2017
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Pacific NW Washington
I'm lost. Can we get some examples of equivalently non-sustainable things....ideas promulgated by different parties or other vested interests, that will destroy the biosphere in < 100 years??

I can only think of one.

Birth control that relies solely on abstinence.
 
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WoodyIsGoody

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Jan 16, 2017
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meanwhile an update on the global government effort to control it,http://www.nature.com/news/prove-paris-was-more-than-paper-promises-1.22378

IMHO, the fact that the emissions targets were simply goals, and not mandated standards, is all the more reason the U.S. should have supported the process instead of quitting without good reason. Now other countries can place blame for any failure squarely on the United States having disrespected the goals of limiting the potentially devastating effects of global warming.
 
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semipro

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Jan 12, 2009
4,064
SW Virginia
Were more than 6 times the avg. rainfall for July . June was above avg too. Seeing heavier and more often downpours than usual.
Maybe a microclimate thing then? We're not far from your location. Our weather patterns have definitely changed though, at least short term.
 

jharkin

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Oct 21, 2009
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Holliston, MA USA
There are lots of non-sustainable uses of our natural resources. Indefinate, unlimited population and consumption growth on a planite with finite resources is by its basic nature unsustainable. I dont understand why that is so hard to grasp for so many...

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jharkin

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Oct 21, 2009
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Holliston, MA USA
Maybe a microclimate thing then? We're not far from your location. Our weather patterns have definitely changed though, at least short term.

Could be... But there is definately and increase in the extremes and year to year variability. Last year we had the worst drought I can ever remember, and this year we are having the wettest summer in decades. Similarly winters seem to swing from no snow at all to 10 feet with nothing in between.
 
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Doug MacIVER

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Ah, the good old days of the Ash Can where feelings got hurt.

Where have you been, Doug? Haven't seen you post in some time. Hope all is well.
been fine, thnx for asking. hope you are as well and enjoying a LI summer. the AC days ,ah yes. fun times
Ah, the good old days of the Ash Can where feelings got hurt.

Where have you been, Doug? Haven't seen you post in some time. Hope all is well.
don't comment much as Jeremy said" I DID START IT" have a day
 

woodgeek

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Jan 27, 2008
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Needless to say, AGW threads always get a bit rowdier, and I started this one so I can't complain. That said....I still think that current US politics is a bit OT.

I don't have any problem discussing the issues with a thoughtful skeptic. I haven't seen any real trolling behavior here....except when I get close to doing it myself. ;em
 

Seasoned Oak

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Oct 17, 2008
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Maybe a microclimate thing then? We're not far from your location. Our weather patterns have definitely changed though, at least short term.
This summer seems cooler than usual even though t the avg in the area say otherwise. Benn getting quite a few nights in the upper 50s ,not common this time of year.
 

vinny11950

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May 17, 2010
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Eastern Long Island, NY
been fine, thnx for asking. hope you are as well and enjoying a LI summer. the AC days ,ah yes. fun times

don't comment much as Jeremy said" I DID START IT" have a day

Summer is nice right now. I got the windows open, and the fans going. Enough to keep me cool. I kind of like being hot and sweating in the summer - it makes it feel like summer. I don't get people having to be in 72 degree environments all the time, even while driving down the highway on a mild evening. I like the warm breeze, the smell of summer, so I roll the windows down. I do use AC, but not all the time.
 

Doug MacIVER

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Summer is nice right now. I got the windows open, and the fans going. Enough to keep me cool. I kind of like being hot and sweating in the summer - it makes it feel like summer. I don't get people having to be in 72 degree environments all the time, even while driving down the highway on a mild evening. I like the warm breeze, the smell of summer, so I roll the windows down. I do use AC, but not all the time.
AC(ash can)?? weather wise I'm a dew pt. hater, can't stand anything over 65*dp.
 

jharkin

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I don't have any problem discussing the issues with a thoughtful skeptic. I haven't seen any real trolling behavior here....except when I get close to doing it myself. ;em

Its ok, I probably troll a lot too... i just trolled Ash above but that doesnt mean I have any personal hard feelings against him -in fact we have lots of shared interests and have had wonderful conversations on many a topic. I would happily host a brew with him any day.
 
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vinny11950

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Ashful

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...as I'm hoisting a brew (Curmudgeon) while reading this. [emoji14]
 

begreen

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Thread has gone to drinking and politics and so ends an interesting discussion.
 
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