Newbie here, I have been reading some posts and this place has a load of information. The make of the stove in the pictures attached is by "Elco", but have found no information about it.(Note: the damper plate chain is an add on after the original was replaced) I hear this stove is more than likely a prefab, in a masonry chimney with a 8" square clay liner. The house butts right next to the chimney, built in the late 80's. I wanted to try and see how it was built in and took the face plate off. I was hoping I could just put an wood insert in, but looks like my options maybe limited. I was reading in another post about the kozy heat z42 option. I'm curious what my options are, if anyone has taken one of these out completely (if possible) or modified it a way so that another, more efficient, stove can be put in. The size of this stove opening is 44" wide by 30" tall. I want to run the stove 24/7 to heat a 2,000 sqft area, or the biggest stove I can fit in there so it doesn't look stupid. Thanks for the help!
Name this stove??
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No one has any help?
I figured SOMEONE had seen one of these in the past.
I had a chance to look at it in person, this thing is something fierce. The firebox is HUGE. There must be 700+ pounds of welded steel to make this contraption. It looked like he might be able to do some cutting until an insert could be installed. There are tubes that run outside air through the flue area to heat it and blow into the room that would get in the way of a liner. There doesn't seem to be anything combustible in the area. This whole thing is steel inside a real masonry fireplace/chimney.
Hopefully an installer will have seen one and chime in.
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I figured SOMEONE had seen one of these in the past.
I had a chance to look at it in person, this thing is something fierce. The firebox is HUGE. There must be 700+ pounds of welded steel to make this contraption. It looked like he might be able to do some cutting until an insert could be installed. There are tubes that run outside air through the flue area to heat it and blow into the room that would get in the way of a liner. There doesn't seem to be anything combustible in the area. This whole thing is steel inside a real masonry fireplace/chimney.
Hopefully an installer will have seen one and chime in.
ac
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Ralph. I name this stove Ralph.
Yeah, I know . . . that doesn't really help you . . . but by me posting it will move this thread to the top where more folks may see the thread.
Yeah, I know . . . that doesn't really help you . . . but by me posting it will move this thread to the top where more folks may see the thread.
Well I found a picture of what the prefab fireplace looked liked before the masonary chimney was built around it. Hopefully this will help refresh some ideas. Considering it is a masonary chimney, can I leave that steel neck piece in there, cut everything else out and build a firebox out of firebricks up to it the start of the neck? Would that be considered legal and safe. Since I have a masonary chimney I don't want to do a ZC since I am limited by the height. Any opinions?
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Have you looked into having an insert installed with a liner? What's the opening size without the doors? What is the depth?
I have thought about it, but thought for the long run removing it and building a firebox would be better to accomodate a larger insert. The largest area withought removing too much would be 24" high by 39" wide. I also want to make sure there is no combustible materials anywhere in there to make myself feel better.
Seems like a lot of work. I'm not a mason, but one concern would be whether this could be done safely. Also concerned about structurally supporting the load during construction. If you can find an insert you like and put in a liner, I would not worry too much about combustibles. The heat will be isolated much better with this arrangement.
Based on those dimensions you can put in a nice sized insert (missing depth dimensions). How large an area is getting heated here?
Based on those dimensions you can put in a nice sized insert (missing depth dimensions). How large an area is getting heated here?
I am with BG on this one. If you can, leave the box there and slide in an insert with new full liner .
I left my old Heatform in, cut the damper are out enough to run a liner damn near straight on, and put a nice big Summit in there.
Much easier with minimal demo.
I left my old Heatform in, cut the damper are out enough to run a liner damn near straight on, and put a nice big Summit in there.
Much easier with minimal demo.
That's an old heatform type of fireplace. They stick the metal fireplace in and brick around it. I had a similar fireplace that rusted out and I tore it out and installed a stove in it's place.
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/56601/
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I'm heating a 2000 sqft area and I want the Summit. The PE dealer was the one skeptical about putting the insert in that prefab. The inside depth is 24". I could just barely fit the summit in there now, but I won't have any room for my hands to attached the flue.
kingjon3rd said:
With the baffle removed (easy, and will make the insert lighter during installation) you could reach up through the flue collar and pull the flue down into place. You'll have to be creative on how to FASTEN the liner to the flue-collar, but I'm sure it's do-able.
That does look like it would fit better! thanks! If I decide to cut it out and put brick to cover up the masonary walls. What is the code for putting a freestanding on the mantle, partially in the enclosed area and partially out. If I could find a descent stove with rear flue, I could make that work as another option...
Same code as freestanding based on clearances to combustibles and adequate hearth insulation for the make of stove.
It doesn't state how far away it needs to be from non combustibles. If the fireplace is all masonary,can I push that all the way into the rear of the stove if i wanted. The manual states, its up to local code... Does the PE Alderlea T6 come with an rear flue option?
All new stoves should have clearances to combustibles and hearth requirements defined. Non combustibles are just that, you can be right up against them, assuming one knows what resides behind the brick and at what depth. The main concern if the current fireplace is left intact would be the hearth.
The T6 is top exit only, but the Jotul Rangeley is rear exit.
The T6 is top exit only, but the Jotul Rangeley is rear exit.
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