New York State solar farm corruption

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Look at it? Ridiculous. Do some research too on the corruption behind it. ORES, DEC, Boralex. I know I know, we gotta save the planet because Bernie and Bill and John and Al said so....
Yes of course there is some corruption. Are you saying it is worse corruption than when we rely on oil gas and coal?
 
Yes of course there is some corruption. Are you saying it is worse corruption than when we rely on oil gas and coal?
Some corruption? Do some research. It's ridiculous. Never said there wasnt corruption in gas and oil so take that game elsewhere.

The left:

"We need to save the planet and the wildlife"

Same left

"We dont care about wild life, bald eagles, the environment.....we need more solar panels!"
 
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Some corruption? Do some research. It's ridiculous. Never said there wasnt corruption in gas and oil so take that game elsewhere.

The left:

"We need to save the planet and the wildlife"

Same left

"We dont care about wild life, bald eagles, the environment.....we need more solar panels!"
Ok one watch the political rhetoric. Secondly how are solar panels worse for wildlife than traditional fossil fuels being used to produce electricity? I see claims of that constantly yet no one can actually provide any actual evidence of that.
 
Ok one watch the political rhetoric. Secondly how are solar panels worse for wildlife than traditional fossil fuels being used to produce electricity? I see claims of that constantly yet no one can actually provide any actual evidence of that.
Political rhetoric? Of course you comment on that but ignore comments made by other posters from your "side."
 
The fact that they are considering a huge solar farm in beautiful Adirondack Park is absolutely disgusting.

Here "they" is the private owner of the land.
In a free country it's their decision (within local land use laws) regardless of what others may think.

I am in favor of solar, though I don't like it being done in less industrialized areas. But that's more due to aesthetics than something else.
Although it's not much different for the environment or ecology to do it on land now used for farming, given the low ecological value of monoculture farm land.
 
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Political rhetoric? Of course you comment on that but ignore comments made by other posters from your "side."
Yes we can absolutely discuss the issue and have differing opinions but actually discuss it using facts
 
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I've been thinking regarding the things mentioned in the first piece referenced above.

I am pro nuclear power - but I don't want to live next to a nuclear plant. Mostly for aesthetic reasons. We can live farther away because one plant services many households (and transmission lines etc.).
That's not very different from a county that gets "saddled" with big solar plants.

Land use (zoning) laws (I think, but I'm not all that well-versed in these things) are the prerogative of the town or county, I thought.
If so, I don't like state imposed changes to that (though there may be some legal way to do that via eminent domain?).

Regardless, I think town/county should have a stronger say in things, allowing for less uproar by some parts of the folks living there.

I think a way in which less feathers would be ruffled would be to have incentives. NOT (more) for the companies installing the solar plant, but for the folks living near that plant.
I know the grid is one big thing, but if power is generated near where it is consumed, transmission costs will be lower. That (transmission) is a fair part of a power bill, at least here.
So why not give folks near (whatever range that may mean) a solar plant significant lower transmission cost? (Or, more arbitrary, xx kWh of free power per household, or x% lower power rate, or....) That should be offset with higher transmission cost for folks living farther away.
This would also incentivize people putting their own solar power on their roofs, especially when farther away from a power plant.

Lower power bills is an incentive based on which local (elected) authorities could decide to go or not go for a plant in their area, while representing their voter base. It would compensate those affected by decreased aesthetics of their surroundings. After all that's how we do things in a capitalist society.

Those incentives should only be for folks who already live there, and for 30 years or so - significant, but finite time. NOT for folks moving to the area after the power plant building has started, as they choose to live near the plant after it's already there, and hence it's not negatively impacting their lives while already being settled there.

Given that the state as a whole has a benefit if power plants exist (...), some of the below could be paid for by a broader base (i.e. consumers of power that are farther away). Some state regulation of such incentives would thus be needed.


Maybe these are idealistic thoughts that have practical issues, but I would think that things can be "done" in a way that is more equitable, and probably less contentious.

Now I'll dream on. :-)
 
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We all love the conveniences but don't like the change it brings. Wait until they want to build a data center near you if you think the building of a solar farm is noisey or ugly. I figured out a long time ago I can't own enough land to keep the world away.
 
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I really dont get the complaints about trucks and equipment. It will only be for a couple months then the panels will just sit there producing power silently with little maintenance. Now try living near a coal mine which many are pushing to bring back. Or even just a power plant. Honestly the field down the road from me now has far less equipment going to it than it did when it was farmed.
 
We all love the conveniences but don't like the change it brings. Wait until they want to build a data center near you if you think the building of a solar farm is noisey or ugly. I figured out a long time ago I can't own enough land to keep the world away.
Or a gas pipeline and compressor station as in my case (Mountain Valley Pipeline).
I'd prefer a solar farm as a neighbor.
 
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Ask yourselves this before you make judgements on these things

Which of these do you NOT want:
Hydro electric power plant, Solar farm, Wind turbine, Gas power plant, Coal power plant, Nuclear power plant,
Sewer treatment plant, Open pit mine, gas or water Pump station
Strip mall, Parking garage, Halfway house, Jail, Go Go Bar. Nice neighbor.

1. next door to your home
2. In your town
3. within 20 miles of your home
4. No where near your home or state.
 
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I'll Start

Do Not want Sewer plant next to my house.
Yes that is exactly what is being built behind my house. And yes this was don't pretty corruptly.

Do want Nice neighbors which thankfully i Do have.

I would 100% take a Solar farm over this Sewer Plant.
 
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I sympathize with the landowner wanting to use his land to generate income.

I sympathize with those who want to see trees and or farmland there.

We all benefit from trees. We all benefit from farmland.

We all benefit from electricity.

A solar farm may not be the best use of the land. But if the forest and farming isn’t practical, a solar farm could be returned to grass or trees much easier than a McMansion development.

I do think there is a work around. Most buildings have a roof face that faces south or west.


Identify streets that are aligned to get the most solar exposure. Rent a roof face. Replace a roof if you must. Every landlord will happily generate more income from their rental, especially if it means their roof is replaced for free. Cities, with their grids of roofs, would be perfect. Replace a roof with light colored shingles and the house doesn’t need as much energy to cool itself in the summers.
 
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Now is solar the savior many deem it to be? I don’t believe it is. I believe blowing cellulose into every attic would make more of a difference. I think heating and cooling is a huge use of energy for a household and it’s very easy and inexpensive to really cut that bill down.
 
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I agree with the insulation. I did so. R57 in my attic. Near the coast.
Yet I need energy to heat and cool.
To me any energy that does not ship money to the Middle East or pumps noxious stuff in our atmosphere is good energy.
So nuclear and renewables for me. But nimby ;-)
ANd my roof is covered with PV. I concur that's something that should be encouraged more.
 
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When I switched from a dark grey roof to a very light grey roof my cooling bill dropped 10%. Add some insulation and you could lower heating and cooling bills by 50%. I couldn’t tell you how many bad insulation jobs I see.
 
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That's why I sealed and insulated myself.

And my pv panels keep my roof in the shade and convect the heat from under them due to the 3-4" gap between the panels that catch the sun and the this shaded roof.
 
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This winter I went to a house that had a mouse issue. A quick walk down into the basement yielded a missing basement window with winter wind whipping in. How much would a simple board with insulation behind it change their life? Their finances would improve as their bills shrank, their health would probably improve from warmer, more stable temps, fewer mouse droppings in the kitchen that they eat/breathe in, maybe they could buy better food, etc.

Sometimes the not sexy or fun to talk about solution will make the biggest change to a person’s life and society in general. And shame on the landlord who is renting out a house that has a window sized hole in the wall.