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MikenVa

New Member
Dec 21, 2020
20
Va
Hey there. I have a QuadraFire 1200i and also three little kids. Every know and again they unplug the stove and the thing goes bonkers. I plug it back in but this is what happens...

Fans Slow down internally
red light comes on in the panel - not the call light
it does light but functions improperly
the fan starts to go on and off
it won’t shut off by way of thermostat. I have to unplug it.

i just installed an outlet lock box but just want to get some understanding. This has happened once before and I let it sit for a day cleaned it really well, messed with the thermostat and it worked again.
 

Ssyko

Minister of Fire
Nov 6, 2017
4,204
Lorraine NY
Usually it only takes a few minutes for the board to loose power in the caps and they will kinda reset. But numerous occasions of pulling the plug could damage some components on the board. Let the stove cool down plug back in and try it. Then let us know what the stove does.
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Kids should never be allowed to fool with plugs or live outlets. No exceptions. Just wait until they stick something in the live outlet and get a surprise that can be fatal. 5MA across a human heart results in death from defib.
 

MikenVa

New Member
Dec 21, 2020
20
Va
Stove is back on and working but there is a red light in the control box. Not blue. What’s that about?
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
You have an owners manual? I suggest you consult that.
 

ABusWrench

Burning Hunk
Sep 11, 2015
177
East Canton, Ohio
Quick Google search says red light is over heat
 

Ssyko

Minister of Fire
Nov 6, 2017
4,204
Lorraine NY
A red light in the control box means the TC has reached 600 ::F that is normal when the stove is in operation. You really need to address the outlet security. You may have lucked out on this one
 

tbear853

Feeling the Heat
Kids should never be allowed to fool with plugs or live outlets. No exceptions. Just wait until they stick something in the live outlet and get a surprise that can be fatal. 5MA across a human heart results in death from defib.
;)
I'm 67, I was in a diaper when I stuck that bobby pin in that socket in the '50s and I still recall it. I was probably grounded good sitting on that floor.
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Something you'll never forget. Only takes one time. Problem is, with the right voltage path, it can only be once.
 

MikenVa

New Member
Dec 21, 2020
20
Va
A red light in the control box means the TC has reached 600 ::F that is normal when the stove is in operation. You really need to address the outlet security. You may have lucked out on this one

okay seems you were right about the red light.

We had a power outage last night and now our Quad1200i won’t ignite. Heard of that?
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Sounds like your luck ran out last night.
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
My rule of thumb with anything electrical is.... Only ONE hand at a time. I remember one time in my shop I was fiddling with a flat blade screwdriver in the main box (I have 400 amp 408/3 coming in) and in a flash, the end of the screwdriver vanished. It was so quick, took me completely by surprise. Was a good Snap On screwdriver too. :eek:
 

Ssyko

Minister of Fire
Nov 6, 2017
4,204
Lorraine NY
okay seems you were right about the red light.

We had a power outage last night and now our Quad1200i won’t ignite. Heard of that?
Check you fuse again. You can try unplugging the stove for a few minutes, plug back in and see if it works. Fingers crossed ;)
 

moresnow

Minister of Fire
Jan 13, 2015
1,784
Iowa
My rule of thumb with anything electrical is.... Only ONE hand at a time. I remember one time in my shop I was fiddling with a flat blade screwdriver in the main box (I have 400 amp 408/3 coming in) and in a flash, the end of the screwdriver vanished. It was so quick, took me completely by surprise. Was a good Snap On screwdriver too. :eek:
You are the first person I have ever heard of that did the exact thing as I did. Right down to the flat blade screwdriver! I did it years ago at a industrial grain elevator working as a millwright. Tying in my welder power cord to the box like any other day. BOOM. I was the first human to see the sun. From one foot away:eek: Ended up on my back holding the short stub of smoking screwdriver..... A healthy respect for electricity was instilled in me right there and then! Lucky to be alive.
 
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mtnbiker727

Burning Hunk
Mar 11, 2019
130
PA
Get a fence to put around the stove. I bought one of these to keep my kids from burning themselves on the stove, it's a Kidco Hearthgate. 7120eeoiGkL._AC_SX679_.jpg
You don't even have to mount it to the wall. You can buy individual sections to make it the size you need it to be.

I recommend the 30 inch door, if you can find it for sale. The 24 inch door is a little bit small to access the front of your stove.

Amazon product
 
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railfanron

Minister of Fire
Nov 2, 2013
561
Perry MI
Sidecar and Moresnow you can add one more to the list. It happened to me when I was about 21. It's amazing how much of the screw driver vanishes. LOL
Ron
 

tlc1976

Minister of Fire
Oct 7, 2012
842
Northwest Lower Michigan
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I'm 67, I was in a diaper when I stuck that bobby pin in that socket in the '50s and I still recall it. I was probably grounded good sitting on that floor.

I’m 44 and I still remember when I was 2 or 3 and I had one of those little ball chains they use on keychains and tags. So I unplugged a lamp partway and draped the chain across the prongs to see what it would do. It blew me back across the room. Good thing the current went more through the chain than me.
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Sidecar and Moresnow you can add one more to the list. It happened to me when I was about 21. It's amazing how much of the screw driver vanishes. LOL
Ron
And how quickly too. Gives new meaning to the movie 'Gone in 60 seconds'. More like gone in a half second. Didn't knock me down but sure as hell scared the crap out of me. Dealing with 110 in a control board and dealing with a couple hundred amps of 408 is quite a difference. Both will kill you however. What is it, 5MA across your heart will cause death.

Now. it's always one hand in the works. No exception.
 
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Former Farmer

Minister of Fire
Apr 12, 2008
587
NE Wisconsin
Dealing with 110 in a control board and dealing with a couple hundred amps of 408 is quite a difference. Both will kill you however. What is it, 5MA across your heart will cause death.

Now. it's always one hand in the works. No exception.

I think it is more than 5MA. The current GFCI outlets and breakers are designed to trip with between 4 and 6 MA of fault current.

Voltage burns you and current kills you.

I have been fortunate that I have never had a personal mishap with 277/480 volt during my career as an electrician. Although I did have it once when we energized a new 50,000 sq. ft. addition on a manufacturing facility, the helper I had with me on that project had nicked one of the wires to a light fixture which caused the 2000 amp main on the service to trip. Shut the whole building down. I could see the arc standing about 100 yards away.
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Not 100% sure. I read that somewhere that 5MA across your heart muscle causes it to defib. Don't want to experiment anyway. I have a very healthy respect for something no one has ever seen but many have felt and died from.

When I'm fiddling with the stove, the one hand rule always applies. Not that I fiddle much, mine has a low fiddle rate.

My philosophy about electricity is it's like plumbing but worse. If you are a plumber and something leaks, you get wet. If something electrical leaks, you may get dead.
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
We were discussing pure sine wave power and inverter generators in another thread and I didn't want to muddy the water with a bunch of not relevant info but, One of my neighbors is the 2nd shift power plant manager at DTE in Monroe, Michigan and it's a huge coal plant and I've nosed around in there before (nice to have a neighbor that can let me do that). Anyway, those generators in there all run at very governed shaft speed that equates to a multiple of 60cps, very steady. I don't know if they spin at 1800 rpm or 3600 rpm or what but I do know the armature speed is a direct multiple of 60cps.

Pretty neat place, especially the coal fired boilers. They pulverize the coal and blow it in with air pressure to burn it and the boilers are 6 stories high and it's like looking into hell through the view port. Huge place. Coal trains come in every day to unload. They just redid the pollution controls and installed scrubbers. No smoke, just vapor / steam now. Up the road a piece there is the N plant. You cannot get within 1/2 mile of that.