Why electric cars?

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Point made and taken.

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EVs create a lot less (~85%) brake dust too. The world is catching on.

 

[Whitenuckler]

They create a lot less (~85%) brake dust too. The world is catching on.

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Batteries and power electronics have really come a long way. Plus all the investment. I hope someday to have a least a hybrid.
I have never owned anything but gas. I thought at one time I wanted a diesel.

 

[bholler]

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Absolutely love it. Hilarious

 

[woodgeek]

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[EbS-P]

I thought at one time I wanted a diesel.

As the owner of a new diesel, you really don’t. Now there are some use cases where they sense. As the owner of an EV they are really practical most of the time. And even for drives up to 1.5 time the stated range in a single day I’m happy with the EV.

Oil will be cheap (adjusted for inflation) for awhile longer. At some point the supply will shrink faster than demand. I expect sub $100 a barrel oil for the next 2-3 years then I have no idea.

 

[Dieselhead]

Why electric cars? Good question. With most everyone complaining about higher than normal electric rates why add another thing to plug into the grid? Of course unless you have solar but then you are just pre-paying (robbing Peter to pay Paul) for your electric use. There’s no win-win especially when it comes to the environment, everyone’s had that conversation about making the ev’s, charging them vs ol dependable fossil fuels.

 

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Does that include hybrids or just BEVs?

 

[bholler]

Why electric cars? Good question. With most everyone complaining about higher than normal electric rates why add another thing to plug into the grid? Of course unless you have solar but then you are just pre-paying (robbing Peter to pay Paul) for your electric use. There’s no win-win especially when it comes to the environment, everyone’s had that conversation about making the ev’s, charging them vs ol dependable fossil fuels.

But using fossil fuels to generate electricity is a far more efficient use of that fuel. And with expanding use of alternative sources for electric generation there will be less and less reliance on fossil fuels for electricity production. Why wait to develop alternatives?

 

[EbS-P]

Why electric cars? Good question. With most everyone complaining about higher than normal electric rates why add another thing to plug into the grid? Of course unless you have solar but then you are just pre-paying (robbing Peter to pay Paul) for your electric use. There’s no win-win especially when it comes to the environment, everyone’s had that conversation about making the ev’s, charging them vs ol dependable fossil fuels.

This has been settled. EV “pollution” is better than ice after a couple years. I’ll make up a number and say 50k miles.

Solar and EVs is a great combination. Size a PV system to you annual needs and you will be fine. You should have a woodstove for winter.

Come up with some better reasons.

I see no reason in a two or more vehicle household that more than half your vehicles should not be BEVs.

 

[woodgeek]

Does that include hybrids or just BEVs?

I was wondering the same thing, haven't chased down the IEA data yet...

 

[Dieselhead]

This has been settled. EV “pollution” is better than ice after a couple years. I’ll make up a number and say 50k miles.

Solar and EVs is a great combination. Size a PV system to you annual needs and you will be fine. You should have a woodstove for winter.

Come up with some better reasons.

I see no reason in a two or more vehicle household that more than half your vehicles should not be BEVs.

Between work and play I personally know and interact with hundreds of constituents. These are people I see at least monthly. Out of everyone I know 1 person owns a Tesla. Some do have hybrids but not straight electric. It’s not catching on around my age group or even in my area. I live on a busy road and it catches my attention when an electric car goes by because it’s such an infrequent event.

 

[Dieselhead]

PS I do have a 24k solar powered mini split in my house before ya go coming after me with pitchforks and torches, the vehicle thing just isn’t that popular of a choice.

 

[Whitenuckler]

As the owner of a new diesel, you really don’t. Now there are some use cases where they sense. As the owner of an EV they are really practical most of the time. And even for drives up to 1.5 time the stated range in a single day I’m happy with the EV.

Oil will be cheap (adjusted for inflation) for awhile longer. At some point the supply will shrink faster than demand. I expect sub $100 a barrel oil for the next 2-3 years then I have no idea.

Well, my wishes and desires never came to pass. I ended up driving a Jeep with the 3.6 gas. For me being retired and living in town, it is perfect. Now, I can see with solar on your house or in your yard, with utility tie or batteries ect it would be good around the area. Hybrid
would make more sense for me if I wanted 10000 lb towing and drives through the Grand Canyon

 

[woodgeek]

Between work and play I personally know and interact with hundreds of constituents. These are people I see at least monthly. Out of everyone I know 1 person owns a Tesla. Some do have hybrids but not straight electric. It’s not catching on around my age group or even in my area. I live on a busy road and it catches my attention when an electric car goes by because it’s such an infrequent event.

My sister lives in CT, and electric cars are rare near her too. Like you, she has one friend with a BEV, that got a Mustang Mach E, and she says they are really frustrated with the 'really low range'. When I drive my electric car up to visit her, she worries that I won't make it there, or make it home.

In my area, suburban Philly, it seems that 10-15% of cars on the road are EVs. I just bought my fourth BEV (my first was in 2014). Its a Volvo with all wheel drive, goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and cost me $28k. My GF has a BEV too. My neighbor has had a Tesla for several years, and another BEV before that. In my friend group there are about 6 BEVs, and I don't have that many friends.

EV adoption is very patchy.

I just drove my new Volvo EV from Philly to mid New Hampshire (370 miles each way). I drove up 91 and the Connecticut River. Before I crossed over from VT into NH, there were farm stands selling fresh berries, and there were EVs all over. I crossed the river, and there was an ammo store and nary an EV in sight. I drove in NH for another hour without seeing another EV. It was striking.

Talking to my sister, she tries to explain that no one wants an EV because it gets really cold in the winter in CT, and EVs are really bad in winter. I think that is part of it. Ofc, in MA and VT it gets a bit colder, and there are EVs everywhere. My climate is warmer than Hartford, roughly 2°F on average.

I think the 'patchy' EV adoption is largely a factor of politics, and where people get their news and information.

 

[bholler]

My sister lives in CT, and electric cars are rare near her too. Like you, she has one friend with a BEV, that got a Mustang Mach E, and she says they are really frustrated with the 'really low range'. When I drive my electric car up to visit her, she worries that I won't make it there, or make it home.

In my area, suburban Philly, it seems that 10-15% of cars on the road are EVs. I just bought my fourth BEV (my first was in 2014). Its a Volvo with all wheel drive, goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and cost me $28k. My GF has a BEV too. My neighbor has had a Tesla for several years, and another BEV before that. In my friend group there are about 6 BEVs, and I don't have that many friends.

EV adoption is very patchy.

I just drove my new Volvo EV from Philly to mid New Hampshire (370 miles each way). I drove up 91 and the Connecticut River. Before I crossed over from VT into NH, there were farm stands selling fresh berries, and there were EVs all over. I crossed the river, and there was an ammo store and nary an EV in sight. I drove in NH for another hour without seeing another EV. It was striking.

Talking to my sister, she tries to explain that no one wants an EV because it gets really cold in the winter in CT, and EVs are really bad in winter. I think that is part of it. Ofc, in MA and VT it gets a bit colder, and there are EVs everywhere. My climate is warmer than Hartford, roughly 2°F on average.

I think the 'patchy' EV adoption is largely a factor of politics, and where people get their news and information.

Surprisingly I see quite a few in my very rural very conservative area of central pa.

 

[begreen]

Between work and play I personally know and interact with hundreds of constituents. These are people I see at least monthly. Out of everyone I know 1 person owns a Tesla. Some do have hybrids but not straight electric. It’s not catching on around my age group or even in my area. I live on a busy road and it catches my attention when an electric car goes by because it’s such an infrequent event.

It's just the opposite out here. EVs have become pretty common. I would guess maybe one in 5 or 7? Back east, right across the border from CT, my sister has one, loves it.

 

[dougstove]

Remember that gasoline has large 'embodied' energy to convert it from crude and move it around. North America may remain a fossil fuel backwater for awhile yet, but the world is going another way.