Pulling the trigger...suggestions welcome for our new pellet stove

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newbieinCT

Feeling the Heat
Sep 26, 2013
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Danbury, CT
Good morning everyone :)

We purchased a house in Western CT a few months ago that had a wood and a pellet stove. I originally found the forum when trying to decide if we were going to keep the wood stove - an old Meredith stove from mid-80s and replace the chimney pipe or if we would use that money towards a new wood or pellet stove. I received some awesome responses from both the wood and pellet community but ultimately, we decided to go for a new pellet stove. One of the big reasons being that the wood stove pipe is $2200 and the stove is already pretty old and we aren't sure how well it works (couldn't find much info on it) so we might do all that work and then end up having to buy a new wood stove anyone. Plus, our house is old and has a lot of work to do so adding in all the stacking, spilling, sourcing of wood -- we opted for the convenience. not that it's super easy to have a pellet stove - it's just less anxiety provoking for us when we already have our hands full with other repairs like figuring out insulation, upgrading electric, knob and tube wiring, fixing the well, possible new boiler. The list goes on and on!

The house was originally built in 1894 and then they added some additions in 1984. The house has "Good bones" but there is a lot of mismatched stuff going on so we are probably going to put it where the old wood stove it (there's already a brick hearth). The old portion of the house (dining room, front room and two smaller bedrooms upstairs) are lathe/plaster, no insulation in the walls. The rest of the house has fiberglass, there are two attic spaces with no insulation but will get blown in cellulose in the next week or so. At the far end of the house, there is a Kozi XL stove (that just finally petered out and we are trying to fix that, but that's a whole different thread). More centrally located is the wood stove/soon to be pellet stove, but it's kind of around the corner to the rest of the floor plan.

I was hoping some of you, who wanted a challenge, could look at the floor plan and let me know if this is a good or bad idea...and ideas of a type of stove, size of stove.

Originally, we were going to go super basic. Then, after reading these forums a bit and experiencing the trouble and noise with our kozi stove, we want to invest in a good stove. Money is always an issue, but I'm reading more and more about how important it is to invest in the right stove. We want this stove to off-set the oil bill significantly so that we barely have to use the oil at all. We are already investing in better insulation and air sealing for the house (still making decisions on what kind and how much but we are almost there). Everyone seems to learn toward Quads and Harmans here, but I don't know how big or many about BTUs. I'm off to read about them next (after I finish helping shovel the driveway)

If anyone can look at the floor plan and give us some advice on stove types, I would be eternally grateful. I know that moving the air around is going to be an issue, but it's one we are willing to work on.

Thanks!!
meg

ps: This place is pretty rustic and we plan on keeping the older look to the house. I know looks aren't everything with stoves, but if possible, we want to get one with legs, not a pedestal, to keep that rustic look. I'm going to have a very hard time convincing my husband to go with a pedestal stove but if there is a good enough reason, I can definitely convince him!!
 

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Reminds me of old farmhouse grew up in back in MD.Used to close off 1/2 of the house every winter and all us kids slept in one room.It appears to me you will need 3 stoves?I reccomend talking to a hvac and stove guy,maybe an hvac engineer.Just my experiences heating with wood,coal and pellets.Remember pellet stoves are space heaters,not central heating.Bob
 
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Your gonna need 2 stoves min to heat this place or rely heavy on your primary boiler (I assume oil)


Have you considered a pellet boiler? Advantages...mess down stairs, no cold corners, less work (then 2 stoves).
Disadvantages...price. I miss having a stove up stairs...wife doesn't.
 
Reminds me of old farmhouse grew up in back in MD.Used to close off 1/2 of the house every winter and all us kids slept in one room.It appears to me you will need 3 stoves?I reccomend talking to a hvac and stove guy,maybe an hvac engineer.Just my experiences heating with wood,coal and pellets.Remember pellet stoves are space heaters,not central heating.Bob

Bob bare - thanks for responding! The previous owner did exactly what you did - closed off parts of the house - but he closed off everything except the room w/ the pellet stove and the kitchen. Lived in a beautiful house and secluded himself to 2 rooms. We will definitely close off some (unused guest bedrooms and office) - we don't even have enough stuff to fill the place yet, although I hear it is pretty easy to accumulate "stuff" and it will fill up quickly ;)

I guess we do need to bring in an HVAC guy - the stove guys around here haven't been too helpful except to try and get us to buy something we may not need without really listening to the setup or our concerns. I think that is why I headed over here, to get an less biased opinion. I can see how we would need two stoves, minimum, for this place. I just assumed that we should put a big honkin' pellet stove in place of the wood stove, but I'm not sure if that's the best option. It just feels like what we should do. I don't want to go too small with a house like this - especially if we are going to get a harman or quad (what we have been looking at online today, haven't explored too many others)

Thanks for the reminder that it's a space heater, not central heating. it's easy to just assume a big stove will fix everything for us. It's definitely something to keep in mind
Thanks for your time,
Meg
 
Your gonna need 2 stoves min to heat this place or rely heavy on your primary boiler (I assume oil)


Have you considered a pellet boiler? Advantages...mess down stairs, no cold corners, less work (then 2 stoves).
Disadvantages...price. I miss having a stove up stairs...wife doesn't.

I have considered a pellet boiler - I would love one. It's just not in the budget right now, although we have made such drastic changes to our initial plan since we moved in...anything can happen. If we end up getting you, I'm blaming you :p
 
Meg, do your self a huge favor and research geothermal heating and cooling. You have a very complicated layout right there and you might be better served to replace the heating system with geo or a pellet boiler.
 
Meg, do your self a huge favor and research geothermal heating and cooling. You have a very complicated layout right there and you might be better served to replace the heating system with geo or a pellet boiler.

Thanks for the info - my neighbor just mentioned geothermal heating last night. Counting him that three votes for looking into it. I'm off to google it now...
 
I used to burn 1200 gallons of fuel oil or 8 tons of pellets. With my geothermal I am spending $500 -$600 a year to heat and cool the house. I usually get a ton of pellets and spread it between the man cave and the pellet insert located in my living room.
 
If you don't mind me asking, how expensive is it to get? Im guessing if you used 8tons of pellets, you needed a pretty big system. We are part if energize ct, going to see if there are any rebates available. Thanks again
 
Check out the geothermal, there are (at least in MA) 0% loans and other rebates available. As a side note, what type of heating/cooling system do you have? Do you have anything that is air? Intakes in the rooms with stoves set up high can help distribute the air easily.
 
Check out the geothermal, there are (at least in MA) 0% loans and other rebates available. As a side note, what type of heating/cooling system do you have? Do you have anything that is air? Intakes in the rooms with stoves set up high can help distribute the air easily.

Hi and thanks for the additional support for geothermal :)
I had a longer response but for some reason it won't post...so I"m summarizing all my jibberjabber.

I looked into the loans in CT. up to 25k @2.99%. It's very tempting. We are already approved for a loan for insulation - we are getting that completed this month. Unfortunately, I don't know if the geothermal is in the budget. Even with a loan, we need to make payments each month. This first 6 months of home ownership has taken a toll on our savings, even with budgeting. Sadly, the previous owner just kind of "gave up" on this beautiful old house and didn't really fix stuff. I mean, who removed insulation from the attic and doesn't replace it? Who uses indoor plumbing equiptment and insulation in an outdoor well? Or buried the well pump wire just a few inches underground? We are doing a ton of "fix it before it explodes, electricutes or freezes you out of your home" kind of repairs...it's overwhelming. Adding a big loan payment to that is a lot right now...but we are going to consider it and see if we can make a decision. Geothermal is more of a heating decision for after we've been here a few years and can actually wrap our head around what is going on.....

Oh, to answer your question: we have oil heat. No central air. Ductwork in all rooms of the house except masterbedroom (yea, I told you the old owner was weird. Who would build an addition to the house and not add ductwork to the bedroom?)

Thanks for the info - I'm on the geothermal side. I know why it's good for us and I really would love those lower bills - but I just don't know if we can do such a big project.....which leads me back to: what stove...
*sigh*
never easy :)
 
Hi and thanks for the additional support for geothermal :)
I had a longer response but for some reason it won't post...so I"m summarizing all my jibberjabber.

I looked into the loans in CT. up to 25k @2.99%. It's very tempting. We are already approved for a loan for insulation - we are getting that completed this month. Unfortunately, I don't know if the geothermal is in the budget. Even with a loan, we need to make payments each month. This first 6 months of home ownership has taken a toll on our savings, even with budgeting. Sadly, the previous owner just kind of "gave up" on this beautiful old house and didn't really fix stuff. I mean, who removed insulation from the attic and doesn't replace it? Who uses indoor plumbing equiptment and insulation in an outdoor well? Or buried the well pump wire just a few inches underground? We are doing a ton of "fix it before it explodes, electricutes or freezes you out of your home" kind of repairs...it's overwhelming. Adding a big loan payment to that is a lot right now...but we are going to consider it and see if we can make a decision. Geothermal is more of a heating decision for after we've been here a few years and can actually wrap our head around what is going on.....

Oh, to answer your question: we have oil heat. No central air. Ductwork in all rooms of the house except masterbedroom (yea, I told you the old owner was weird. Who would build an addition to the house and not add ductwork to the bedroom?)

Thanks for the info - I'm on the geothermal side. I know why it's good for us and I really would love those lower bills - but I just don't know if we can do such a big project.....which leads me back to: what stove...
*sigh*
never easy :)
So you have forced hot air in most of the house? If so I would try to add a reurn (or tap into an existing) as close to the ceiling as you can. You can then pull the warmer air through the house. I may even look into adding an extra piece of duct back and seeing if your fan can operate at a higher speed.
 
So, going back to the original question: if we were buying a new stove for a 2200 sqft home, what would you recommend.
I know we need to look more at BTUs and floor layout but it's kind of overwhelming trying to figure it all out. It makes me want to give up and just get the biggest stove I can find. That's isn't very sensible, I know. It's just overwhelming!

I know we are not going to be able to heat the whole house with the pellet stove, but I want to do as much through a pellet stove as possible - so high BTUs are important.

We plan on putting registers (with fans) into the floors to help pull air up and downstairs. The master bedroom is directly above the living room (which is where the old wood stove/new pellet stove will be).

Everyone automatically says Harmon but I see a lot about the Quad here. Seems like there are more people selling used Quads than Harman on craigslist. Not sure if that is because the harmans are better of if there are just more Quads b/c prices are a little better and therefore more in the homes.

Thanks for everyone's help. Suggestions are still, as always, welcome.

meg
 
So you have forced hot air in most of the house? If so I would try to add a reurn (or tap into an existing) as close to the ceiling as you can. You can then pull the warmer air through the house. I may even look into adding an extra piece of duct back and seeing if your fan can operate at a higher speed.

Thanks for this idea. Running it past the husband right now. oddly enough, there is a return in the floor...in front of the old pellet stove. So far, oil and pellet haven't been on at the same time. Probably won't be ever again since the pellet just died on us..cold night (again) here in Ct !!
 
One last question: any suggestions for how many BTUs I should be looking? I was thinking no less than 50k but I dunno...
 
When looking at Harmans, the xxv was #1. Just not sure if it's powerful enough for our crazy setup...
I hear the p series is awesome too but it's harder to sell the husband on a pedestal stove (I'll still try though!)
 
I have an Enviro Maxx, it is rated at 70000btu. Dealer just outside Newburgh NY, just arcoss I84 from you. Gave me the best price around. heats the house on medium when it was 5 out side this week. 1900 sf raised ranch. I have it turned down to only output about 55000 on high. Last stove I had is still running after more then 15 years. buy a bigger stove run on low to med all the time is better the a small stove on high all the time.
 
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I have an Enviro Maxx, it is rated at 70000btu. Dealer just outside Newburgh NY, just arcoss I84 from you. Gave me the best price around. heats the house on medium when it was 5 out side this week. 1900 sf raised ranch. I have it turned down to only output about 55000 on high. Last stove I had is still running after more then 15 years. buy a bigger stove run on low to med all the time is better the a small stove on high all the time.

My parents live over in Hopewell and my favorite sushi restaurant is up the by the mall...I see a mini-roadtrip coming up! I've been reading on the boards that people also really ike the Enviros and US Stove products, as well was quadra and Harman. So difficult to narrow it down, but I'm going to go research the enviro maxx if it is going to be my new best friend :)

My husband and I keep saying that if we get a bigger, higher quality stove - we will have it for a long time. it's just a lot of money to put out when you have just purchased a house. I am convinced that the Kozi XL that we have wouldn't have died as quick if we weren't burning it on high for so long. It is definitely an older model and it was loud and not the best out there, but it was keeping us pretty warm. It just couldn't handle these cold temps the past few weeks...

Thanks for the info! I'm going to go check 'em out now
Meg
 
Sounds like you need to step back and take a look at your big picture strategy...do you really want to spend a lot of money on a fancy big pellet stove. that may or may not even solve your immediate needs?

I suggest you see what you can find used or new inexpensive stoves (check out Englander and sister stoves refurbs etc.) to get you by for the winter. maybe one stove and a little more oil burned makes more sense.

You really need to get a plan for your overall system...and work towards that.....maybe you will end up with minisplit heat pumps.....or geothermal.

Perhaps you can come up with a plan that you can implement in stages to help with costs. I'd hate to see your new harman on craigs list next summer because it now didn't fit your "plan"
 
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