Back to burning!...lots of new parts. Feels great!!

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MJFlores

Burning Hunk
Dec 22, 2013
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NH
Feels great to be back to burning. Early fall started like any other, I had two wood stove chores to do so I did them in late Sept. One was to sweep the chimney, done easily enough. The second chore was to replace a warped bypass frame in my Woodstock Fireview. It's just two bolt how hard could that be, I thought. As I was tightening the two bolts on the new frame, I hear a loud "CRACK" from inside the stove and felt that sick feeling in my gut. I had cracked the internal combustor pan, and it looked awful to replace, and to buy. A call to the fine folks at Woodstock confirmed one of my suspicions...the part is a real chore to replace, but the cost is much less that I thought...only $100. Since I'm in NH, I was able to get one of their guys to come down and replace the part and anything else the stove may need. The man did a wonderful job, and basically replaced everything in the stove...with a few newly redesigned parts...every gasket the stove has. He even changed the andirons for me! The stove is 13 years old, and now has a new lease on life for another 13 plus years at least.

While having the stove disconnected, I was able to really inspect the liner and found a bunch of cracked tiles. There must have been flame riding up the pipe and hitting the clay liner because there was damage so I began calling to get quotes on repairs. For years I've wanted a stainless liner installed just for safety reasons, and now was the time to do it. After speaking with a few outfits...some never called back, some swore up and down that all I needed was a liner installed with no insulation, others wanted to ovalize the pipe and use a pour in insulation I finally had a really nice outfit come in and they spec'd exactly what my gut said I needed...break out the 7X11 clay flu liner and install a new 6" stainless titanium liner, wrapped with 1" insulation with a chimney cap. The price was higher than I wanted, but it was the right thing to do and these guys just made me feel right about their work...and their references raved about them so I signed off and it's done too. They did a wonderful job, and were very neat and clean the whole time. Very professional!

So now I'm running a freshly rebuilt Woodstock Fireview, hooked up to a properly installed stainless insulated liner and it feels great!! It was unplanned spending, but the right thing to do and with a young son sleeping in his room at night I feel it's safer so I sleep better too. Some things to note is, with the liner I'm getting better draft making relights easier. Also, and some of this could be the wood I'm into right now but, I can go from a cold stove to having the bypass closed and the cat ignited in about 10 minutes! This was never possible before, it was more like 20 minutes to half hour. I'm also easily getting higher stove temps to the point where now I only fill the stove half full so it's quite a bit more efficient with the wood I'm using. I figured there would be some change in performance but this setup is like a whole new experience and I'm having to learn the behavior all over again. Between the late start I got to burning because of all the work that went in, and the reduced wood loads this thing is using I should have a surplus of wood this spring, at least I hope. I am very happy with the new setup and it's performance, and am happy to have had two positive experiences with the guy from Woodstock, and the chimney company I used. Here's a video of the burn last night. Outside temps were in the mid 20's, stove top temp was 600 and the air was turned up all the way to zero (off). Look at the catalytic action in that thing!! It never behaved quite like this before.

 
Who says there's no show to see in a cat stove? It ain't called Fireview for nothing.

I've visited the Woodstock factory twice. Even if you have no interest in their stoves, it's a nice visit if you want to be around happy, friendly, honest people.
 
Mjflores - I'm happy for you, it must be a real relief, and on the plus side it probably like having a brand new setup, good luck and stay warm
 
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Good to hear the stove has a new lease on life. Did Woodstock say what caused the crack in the first place?
 
Good to hear the stove has a new lease on life. Did Woodstock say what caused the crack in the first place?

Yeah, what caused the crack was the dummy turning the wrench ie Me! LOL. Makes sense now, the part I was replacing was warped, so the frame it bolts to was warped. When I mounted the new straight piece on the old warped frame and began tightening, snap! The man who came down to do the repair of the main pan told me as soon as he hears about the bypass frame or old style combustor scoop being warped, he recommends getting a "loaded pan" which comes with everything pre-mounted. When I ordered it I must not have mentioned why I was replacing mine, only that I wanted a new one sent. Learned a lot about the stove watching him work on mine, and shooting the breeze. Turns out these stoves are sort of modular and you can easily buy every part there is so replacing ones from the eventual warping isn't too bad...although the next time that pan needs replacing I'll gladly pay them to send someone out again....that was a big job! It was worth it because it got a full inspection and rebuild by someone who does it for a living so I know it's done right.
 
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Hopefully the "next time" will be more than 13 years. The stove is just middle aged at that point. What caused the warping, did it get overheated?
 
You know, I've always thought the Fireview looked "a little weird", but that video's got me thinking otherwise! Great story of biting the bullet and getting more life out of your investment. Thanks!
 
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Wish I went with the insulated liner. Looks great. I'm only on year two for burning. Definitely worth the investment. Enjoy there nothing like the heat from these soap stoves.
 
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Here's a video of the burn last night. Outside temps were in the mid 20's, stove top temp was 600 and the air was turned up all the way to zero (off).
What caused the warping, did it get overheated?
Cool that you have a virtually new stove. :cool: But, man, that thing is blazing! I trust you did some break-in fires on the new cast parts. Going to a full-length liner no doubt increased the draw, probably quite a bit according to your description. How tall is your chimney? If it's tall, I'd consider installing a flue damper. With the air cut all the way, I wouldn't want it running that hot (unless required to maintain house temp, in which case I'd be considering tightening the air-sealing of my house, adding insulation, or going to a PH.) Consistently running that kind of flame (plus cat heat) up through the top of the stove could result in eventual warping, I would think. Or maybe I just baby my stoves too much... :) Also, in my experience, the Fireview and Keystone (and probably most cat stoves except hybrids) burn cleanest at lower output. When I had much flame in the box, seemed like I usually got some smoke out of the stack.
Sorry if I'm coming off like a bucket of wet ash in the firebox...burn on, and enjoy your 'new' stove. :)
Good job. The Fireview is a tried and true performer. And handsome to boot.
Enjoy there nothing like the heat from these soap stoves.
Yep, great stove. I'm really missing the radiant heat...can't wait to get the Keystone back in there.
 
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Looking good. I love that video, what a beautiful fire. Looks real warm.
 
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Hopefully the "next time" will be more than 13 years. The stove is just middle aged at that point. What caused the warping, did it get overheated?
They told me that eventually the parts in there will warp from the heat and that I was doing good to get 13 years. They recently changed their combuster scoop to stainless steel as that part used to be the one that warped first, usually after 4 or 5 years. I did change mine at that point but now have the stainless version in there. He was saying the stainless part will last a bit longer before needing replacement as it resists warping better than cast. Before the rebuild, my stove averaged 450 to 550 stove top temp and only had it reach the high 6's once so I cant say it was ever over fired. With this new combustor and the new liner I bet I could get into the extreme hot range so it's going to take some watching and use to really learn what it likes and what it takes to stay down around 550 or so. Things could change when I get into different stacks of wood too. What I'm burning now is my oldest wood that I split in the very early spring and had stacked in the driveway all summer in direct sun. That went into the basement in Sept. I'll be burning from stuff out of the woodshed by early next month so it'll be interesting to see how it behaves through several stacks from outside in the shed, and several species of wood. Right now I'm burning a mix of some black birch, sassafras, red maple, and a little beech. I should be getting into the red oak and beech mixes in time for the real cold weather.
 
Before the rebuild, my stove averaged 450 to 550 stove top temp and only had it reach the high 6's once so I cant say it was ever over fired. With this new combustor and the new liner I bet I could get into the extreme hot range so it's going to take some watching and use to really learn what it likes and what it takes to stay down around 550 or so. Things could change when I get into different stacks of wood too...I should be getting into the red oak and beech mixes in time for the real cold weather.
That's about where I liked to run my Fv, and the Keystone. You might need to get less wood involved at startup to keep the gassing/cat temp under control. I would definitely think about a flue damper; If the stack is pulling hard now (Fireview is an easy breather to begin with), it'll only increase as it gets colder out. It's about a 10 minute job.
 
That much flame with draft shut off? Uh, I hope you have more control than that. Sure flames are nice at higher settings but that looks like a runaway noncat.
 
Good you are philosophical about this, but I wouldn't be happy needing a rebuild in 13 yrs, especially if I lived far away from the factory service option. Are you sure there isn't another factor like strong draft?
 
Good you are philosophical about this, but I wouldn't be happy needing a rebuild in 13 yrs, especially if I lived far away from the factory service option. Are you sure there isn't another factor like strong draft?
Agreed, it doesn't seem like it should need that kind of work after 13 years, but the Ws guy did say that. I wonder if he meant he sees that, not necessarily that it was to be expected. MJ, did you buy the stove new?
 
Those flames are re-burning gases of the Cat, if you look close the wood isn't really on fire yet.
Yes, cat/scoop heat is igniting the rolling flame in the top of the box but the wood has to be gassing (burning,) weather it's smoldering or burning flame off the splits. At any rate, that looks like a large amount of flame in the box and I personally didn't run my Fv like that for very long before I cut it back. I would think the stainless scoop would be glowing orange after ten or fifteen minutes of that, and I tried to avoid any parts glowing. I could easily get a 500+ stove top with no flame in the box, and that was enough heat to maintain my house temp in most cases. Now, I know Dennis and some other guys run Ws stove top temps in the 600+ range, and I don't recall them reporting problems, so... You do get more heat off the sides of the Fv with flame in the box...
 
Agreed, it doesn't seem like it should need that kind of work after 13 years, but the Ws guy did say that. I wonder if he meant he sees that, not necessarily that it was to be expected. MJ, did you buy the stove new?

Yes, I bought the stove brand new and in person right at their factory. They let you pick out your stove from a whole bunch of them, and then wrap in on a pallet and load it in your truck. It's a nice place, and great experience.
 
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