Enviro EF3 (or 2) Insert

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mroletta

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Hi folks,

I've finally pestered SWMBO enough this fall and got the thumbs up to purchase another fireplace insert for our house. We already have Breckwell P24I on one side of the house, but require another stove to heat the other side of the house. The amount of house that generally doesn't get heated by the current stove is about 1200ft^2, so that's the number I'm aiming for with the new insert.

I'm currently trying to decide between the Enviro EF2FPI, the Enviro EF3FPI, and a St. Croix York insert.


The EF2 is $2000, the EF3 is $2600, and the St Croix is $2200 (a never used floor model).

The EF2 is rated at 34K BTU, while the other two are rated at 40k BTU. HOWEVER (!), the free standing model of the EF2 is rated at 87% (!) efficiency, while the others are rated in the ~76% range. Given that I assume the EF2 insert is also in the mid-high 80s, it's actual heat output is in the 29.5kBTU range while the other two are in the 30.2k BTU range. Is it viable to make a comparison like that based on the input rating and the efficiency of the stove?

The liner/tee kit will be the same at either place, and I'll do the install myself.

Either stove is visually appealing to me, but I'd like input. Included is also an image of what the house layout looks like, and where the stove would be located.

All 3 will fit in my current masonry chimney.

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Any input would be appreciated, as I'm looking to make the purchase in the next couple of days.

Thanks!

EDIT: It looks like at this point i just need to decide between the EF2 or the EF3.
 
Initially I was leaning towards the EF3, but when I saw it at the first dealer, he also showed me the EF2 at an appealing price. Would it sufficiently heat the area I show in the photos? Those two bedrooms in the upper part of the photos aren't used really, so I primarily care about the master BR/dining room, and kitchen.

When I went to see what the second dealer had, I saw the floor model on sale of the St Croix and the stove is more appealing, but I'm worried about St Croix because I found an awful lot of negative reviews online about their customer service/warranty, etc, whereas I've generally read positive things about Enviro.

Another thing that concerns me is that the St Croix YORK isn't listed as qualifying for the 10% tax credit, but the ASHBY-P is listed (looks like a newer model with slight design changes). However since what I'm buying is technically a YORK, I'm worried I won't get that money/won't qualify.
 
The York will NOT qualify, which is one of the main reason's St. Croix. went the route of the Ashby. The York is a great stove, but St. Croix could not get it to meet % needed for the tax credit stuff. The York is no longer produced and the factory offered lower dealer pricing to try and move the last of them before they started the run of Ashby P's and MF's. I hate to steer you away from a St. Croix, we've sold them for 13 years and been more than happy with the company, but if you're looking for the tax credit stuff the York won't do it.
 
I wouldn't lean away from the York just because of the tax credit, but I did see a lot of negative reviews online regarding the company. I might be able to convince the dealer to drop the price a bit since it wouldn't qualify for the rebate.

Mostly I just want something that will work well. The EF2 insert is listed as 87% which surprises me, and I'm really curious if it's feasible to do the (.87*34000=29580 vs .758*40000=30320) comparison regarding efficiency and expected heat output.

Again, I'm not looking to heat the entire house, just that area covered in the photo which is less than the 1500 ft^2 that the EF2 is rated at doing. Hmm, the more I think about it, the more tempting the EF2 for $1995 looks.
 
Anyone with an EF2 chime in as to how well it performs and what square footage they heat with it?
 
I have the EF-2 Free Standing.

It heats my 900SF cottage just fine.

On all but the coldest windiest nights I run it at about the 3/4 position and have a nice toasty living area. My LR is 12x26 and is open via 6' archway to my 16x16 kitchen. The two BRs are off the kitchen and are 10x10 and 10x12. The BR's get a bit chilly but I like that. I am insulated ok but could use a bit more in the old roof section of the house. Kit and LR ceilings are cathedral so I am losing a bunch up there. I use a small muffin fan at floor level to push return air toward stove from Kitchen.

I would say you need a bit more stove for your layout. But it would depend on how tight your place is and what you can live with.

I am looking at a M55 Cast in the near future for myself. When this EF-2 dies.

The EF-2 has be a great, virtually trouble free stove for me. Regular cleaning and maintenance and it will treat you right.
It does lack a lot of the bells and whistles of the newer stoves (thermostat, digital control, modes, etc) but there is less to fail and parts are relatively cheap.

Mine is real happy burning Okies and Vermonts. I do have OAK installed.

Good Luck,
---Nailer---
 
Thanks for the input!

I'm so torn. My concern is that although the EF3 is newer, the efficiency is also rated lower, and hence I won't see much of a heat output upgrade by spending the extra $600 on it. They both also have the same convection blower.

Does your EF2 have 1 or 2 rows of heat exchange tubes? IIRC the EF3 has 2..
 
My EF-2 has 1 row of Holes.

I think a 40K BTU heater might be a bit small for your needs.

YMMV. My house and yours are probably insulated/heated differently.

You seem to be looking at stoves using the "top number" of BTU vs. efficiency.

If I were you, I'd be looking at something that would run at the 60% of rated output the majority of time for your needs. That way you won't be over taxing the heater.

I will admit to really cranking up my stove quite a few nights each winter. Sometimes you need a warm living room especially when the north wind is blowing at a steady 20+ and it is so cold out that the snow sounds like styrofoam squeaking when you walk on it.

Good Luck,
---Nailer---
 
I have a VistaFlame VF100 which is the same stove as the Enviro EF3. I love it. Easy to work on, cranks the heat, and I like the controls. I've only burned about 2 tons through it though, so haven't even had it a full year.
 
I have a EF 2 that is now 7 years old. It has performed well in my 1200sqft home that has NO insulation what-so-ever. I have replaced the Foe Brick,and Insulated panels behind the brick because of burn through. I have also replaced the exhaust blower & the plate at the top of the burn area. If I were to replace this stove I would probably replace it with the next size larger for this home. It uses one bag per 24 hours when the temps outside are 20° or above and 2 bags when the temps are below. I have one problem that keep coming up with it though. The heat exchange tube clean/scrapper keeps getting stuck. I have tried many things but I can't keep the tubes clean anymore. If anyone has any suggestions for this please let me know. Other then that I give the EF II 2 thumbs up.
 
Charger,

The scraper gets stuck on the heat exchanger tubes all the time.

Three solutions to try.

1st. Ensure the rod nut is secure at the rear of the scraper blade. You can feel it on the back side of the blade. I believe it is a 1/4"-20 nut. If loose it will allow the scraper to cant on the tubes and get stuck.

2nd. If you can't move the blade. Reach in to the top rear corners of the firebox (above) the removable plate and grab the two corners of the blade. You can work them in and out on the L and R and get it to start moving.

3rd. Once moving. Tighten the nut from 1 above and shoot in a bit of powdered graphite around the tubes where the blade rides. It will help.

The best thing is to scrape the tubes often. The manual says to only scrape when they are cool. Your call on that.

Good Luck.

---Nailer---
 
My EF-3 F/S is stamped 1999, i bought it 4 years ago from the local dealer for $1000., he said it heated there 30 x 30 store every year since new burning about 200 bags/year in it, only put 1 convection blower in it.So since new its had approx 2400 bags of pellets thru it, i have also replaced the convection blower, and the old 3 sec timer with the new 1 sec timer, my choice, not breakage.My house is a 1.5 story 30 x 30, so 1800 sq ft, it doesn,t quite cut the mustard to be honest, but keeps the downstairs comfy.its 45,000 BTU, don,t go any smaller.
 
I ended up going with the Regency GFI55 (45kBTU) insert.

I'll post pics of the install and final product! I wish the weather was cooperating on my days off (wed/thurs/fri).
 
charger1966 said:
I have a EF 2 that is now 7 years old. It has performed well in my 1200sqft home that has NO insulation what-so-ever. I have replaced the Foe Brick,and Insulated panels behind the brick because of burn through. I have also replaced the exhaust blower & the plate at the top of the burn area. If I were to replace this stove I would probably replace it with the next size larger for this home. It uses one bag per 24 hours when the temps outside are 20° or above and 2 bags when the temps are below. I have one problem that keep coming up with it though. The heat exchange tube clean/scrapper keeps getting stuck. I have tried many things but I can't keep the tubes clean anymore. If anyone has any suggestions for this please let me know. Other then that I give the EF II 2 thumbs up.

Hello Charger

Here is the cleaning rod issue with pics I just had getting stuck every single time I pushed it in or out!
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/80566/

I picked up an EF2i that was broken and fixed it up. Great stove and easy to work on and get parts for!! Also if you ask, you can get a 10% discount on the parts. (Big Markup!)

Anyways the manual and cleaning rod you can buy have no mention of nuts! The cleaning rod screws right into the rake and I had plenty of warble!! So I added a 1/4-20 US or M7 metric nut to the cleaning rod BEFORE screwing it into the rake so the nut will never loosen and fall off. That works like a charm!!
 

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