Since every part of the country is different, you can compare raw cost of btu/million here...
http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm
http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm
Driz said:Hey you oil guys, you gotta get into one of those oil coops that have sprung up . Ours here in Northern NY rocks but you gotta make a charitable donation of $20/ year to their favorite charity and pay for it on the spot when they deliver. They also deliver when they decide to and fill the tank, no $100 here and there. In all hey it works. I got mine for the introductory price of $1.99 a
Remember if nothing else every little thing you do helps screw the oilman and the arabs so you can take pride in your efforts as they both have been ripping you off for decades.
Webmaster said:OK, so let me understand this right......comparing oil at 2.50 and pellets at 220/ton is a difference of 10% cheaper for the pellets - not including the gas to get them, etc.
So, BTU for BTU, a 10% difference. BUT, you are saving 75%.
While I agree there are a lot of factors involved, this type of experience, in my opinion, is either inaccurate, misleading or just plain rare! Perhaps you have a terrible oil burner or inefficient system.
.OK, so let me understand this right......comparing oil at 2.50 and pellets at 220/ton is a difference of 10% cheaper for the pellets - not including the gas to get them, etc.
So, BTU for BTU, a 10% difference. BUT, you are saving 75%
Perhaps you have a terrible oil burner or inefficient system.
BeGreen said:There were no pellet supply issues until Katrina. Then all fuel source prices on the east coast went up. Buy in August and this is a non-issue., but it would be great to hear from pellet suppliers on lessons learned and changes coming for next fall.
elkimmeg said:To the poster that cellar used to be warm. you are the prime example or heat loss to unconditioned spaces wasting energy
Not the example I would use to impress on how effecient my stove was compared to my burner
vgrund said:Continuing on the topic of supply, I also wonder whether there will be enough raw materials to supply the industry as it grows to meet demand. NEWP started with low moisture waste from furniture production but now they use a lot of "green" sawdust that is about 50% water. I wonder how much they can reasonably source. I can imagine at some point they'll start grinding logs. That would be like paying for kiln-dried firewood plus additional processing for pelletizing. Ouch.
This is not a criticism of the pellet industry... I'm just wondering about the overall sustainability of this fuel. I've seen others post similar concerns here.
Victor
Webmaster said:johndough said:<<At, say, $220 per ton, 4.40 per bag… why the hell are you burning the stuff?
<<It just about equals out to $2.00/gal oil, which is what my last 2 fills were priced at.
If I read the chart you attached right, it looks to me more like $220/Ton = $1.90 a gallon
I paid $220 ton and My oil price is $2.50gal
Last year by timer, I kept my house at 56 degrees when not home and raised it to 60 at 5:30-6:30 am ( then back to 56) and raised it again to 63 at 3:00 to 8:45pm My burner uses EXACTLY 1 gallon per burn hour ( I would tell the delivery guy how much he delivered before he handed me the slip - used the time off the timer and reset it ea delivery)
Last year I used 904 gallons
This year I used 100% pellets - No Oil at all - I keep the house at 70degrees 24hrs day ( minor variations ) and so far have used 102 bags - I estimate I will need about another 35 bags to finish this year, but to make it easier, round it up to 150bags or 3 ton
So it should cost me less than $660 for pellet this year VS if I used the same amount of oil as last year I would be looking at $2,260 yes this year has been a bit warmer, but I also kept the house ALOT warmer - and yes I had to buy the stove, but with that kind of savings and extra warmth next year I Hope to be WAY ahead of the game..
and thats MY 'Splaination...
OK, so let me understand this right......comparing oil at 2.50 and pellets at 220/ton is a difference of 10% cheaper for the pellets - not including the gas to get them, etc.
So, BTU for BTU, a 10% difference. BUT, you are saving 75%.
While I agree there are a lot of factors involved, this type of experience, in my opinion, is either inaccurate, misleading or just plain rare! Perhaps you have a terrible oil burner or inefficient system.
We cannot dispute the basics - a BTU is a BTU. So if you used a monitor (freestanding) oil heater instead of the Pellet Stove you'd probably spend somewhere around the exact same $$ per year. Pellets are not saving you money....something else is.
I only clarify this so that potential buyers are well informed. Having been in the industry for 25+ years, I've heard so many miracle stories - and my feeling is that this can raise expectations. In this case, a 10% savings in BTU to BTU somehow created a 75% savings in heat! There must be more to the story.
We used to say "those pellets must be nuclear"......
BeGreen said:I just sent an email to Lignetics (West Va) to see if they will be supplying more pellets to the northeast this year. I'd suggest asking all the other producers in the area as well. Here's a list to start with:
http://www.englanderstoves.com/pellet_manufacturers.html
http://www.energex.com/energex_retail.htm
http://www.pelletheat.com/
alfio said:somebody does not know the real price of oil ! watch the news at night, howe many lives have we lost for oil , howe do you put a price on that. ITS wort avery penny i pay extra for pellets or coal , to be less dependent on oil.
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