"Altered Pellet Stove"

I bet you could save Japan.

Eric

Hello

This should take the prize for the MOST altered Wood pellet Stove!! Pellet Stove Boiler Mod !!

http://nh.craigslist.org/hsh/2289356346.html

TURN YOUR PELLET/CORN OR COAL STOVE INTO A BOILER , AND DOUBLE THE BTU'S FROM TWO TYPES OF HEAT AT THE SAME TIME, NOW HEAT OTHER AREAS OF YOUR HOME FOR FREE USEING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PELLETS ,CORN OR COAL, CHECK OUT. http://www.CROSSLINKCONVERSIONS.COM WEB SITE AND READ THE FORUM .LETS CLEAN UP OUR AIR PASS THIS ALONG

See pics below

Sounds like a "perpetual motion machine" to me. He's extracting heat from the fire, which leaves less heat to warm the heat exchanger. That means a net loss of heat into the room. There's no free lunch, it's not like they're using waste heat going out the vent. And that's another can of worms - whether removing heat from the exhaust is a good idea or not.
I'd also like to know how he keeps from boiling the water that's in the tubing inside the stove. Sure, keep it moving, but the heat has to go somewhere after the water in the system is fully heated.
I'd like more details.

Actually, that idea is in use. The plant where I worked has automatic flushers on the toilets and urinals. They were battery operated, and needed new batteries once a year. They got new ones that have a little turbine and generator inside. When it flushes itself, it recharges itself, so batteries last 5-7 years or more.
They also monitor the time spent in front of them, and assuming longer time means greater flushing requirement, adjusts the amount of water used for the flush. If no one uses a given fixture for 24 hours, it flushes itself to keep the water from getting stagnant.
Heck, for $450 each, they should clean the fixtures, too!

Technology in search of an application...

True, the energy needed to raise the water would exceed what you got of the little generators in your dad's idea - but - the energy was coming from somewhere else; ideally the water was gravity fed from a lake uphill, and the sun's energy was used to raise the water vapor up so it could condense and make rain to fall into the lake - and I'm getting a headache!

I stopped drinking beer - I got tired of being the middleman - now I just pour it down the drain ——NOT!

What are the first symptoms CO poisoning?

As I had said without factual refutation, humans experience noticeable symptoms due to CO, headache Noticeable! Nausea Noticeable!, shortness of breath, etc. Not to mention light-headedness. All Noticeable, unless you're asleep.

"2a. Just because you don’t foresee something doesn’t absolve you of negligence if your actions lead to consequences that are detrimental to others or yourself."

Actually, in a court of law, I think it does because to be negligent you have to have some knowledge or awareness of the dangers of your actions or lack of action and ignore them deliberately. Think of the space shuttle Challenger. The managers were warned to not attempt a launch in such cold temperatures but they did it anyway. they were guilty of stupidity perhaps, over-confidence and yielding to dead-line pressure, but they weren't held to be negligent because they didn't believe the warnings, they kind of brushed then aside. If the engineers that warned them had had the authority to "green-light" the launch, and did so, they would have been negligent because they knew better. If one is completely unaware of any danger, how can they be guilty of negligence? That doesn't necessarily absolve them of financial liability . Companies and individuals are always getting sues (but not criminally charge) when someone gets hurt in connection to them. Remember that lady that sued McDonald's over the scalding coffee that burned the hell out of her because it was so hot when it spilled in her lap? She won a huge judgement because she produced witnesses that testified that McDonald's had been sued more than once in the past for the same thing and had not done anything to prevent it from happening again. McDonald's was negligent because they knew the of danger.

The idea of using water pressure to generate electricity is a darn good one. Most cities, that have water brought in via aqueducts (which have to cross various high hills,) have to pump the water up to the top of the hill (consuming power) but instead of using a hill-high length of baffles on the way down they could use hydo-electric turbines on the way down to re-capture the consumed power. It would add up since the pumping runs day & night all year long. An even better idea occurs to me but I'm not sharing it until I get a patent!

And if they didn't recognize the symptoms, they might go lay down and fall to sleep, their last sleep. The facts are only useful if you know them and many people don't, so "better safe than sorry" if there's any chance of calamity. As for my situation...no wife, no kids, no pets, so my perspective isn't what it would be if I were in your situation. I wouldn't want to do anything that might put them at risk.

I don't know what to say. I guess some people would walk accross the road into the path of a semi, yelling pedestrians have the right of way. I remember years ago haveing to put on a scot air pack to get people because when CO alarms went off they thought they knew better and could keep working. There used to be a phrase about darwinism solving such problems.

There are variable presentations of carbon monoxide poisoning, ranging from asymptomatic or slight headache, dizziness, nausea, syncope, visual disturbance, confusion, seizure and coma.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771996/

So never assume you'll experience any recognizable symptoms from CO poisoning and be able to act in any manner.

CO poisoning has also been known to result in cardiac arrest and death long before what are considered to be normal symptoms would occur.

Unfortunately any device that burns a carbon based fuel will generate CO, and as always it is a matter of concentration and an individual's ability to tolerate what they are exposed to.

Normally what folks notice is what happens when the stove is not burning correctly or is in the start up stage and there is an installation, maintenance, or improper operation issue.

ETA: Here is a link on wood pellet combustion products (they do not break down the many compounds in the component called TOC, there are however extremely detailed analysis of combustion products in various technical reports and studies).

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...9Mihuc&sig=AHIEtbRWui8YmMnGrVnmaQ30RX-Zwv1wIw

A little time with a search engine can locate tons of information.